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Re:An Open Letter To Mozilla Corporation by babarock on Monday April 15, 2013 @01:28PM (#5552768)
It seems to me that this letter seems to care about everyone ("ad-supported small businesses", "advertisers", "website owners", "Ad networks", "small publishers") except for the one who matters the most: The User.

I'm not going to say what Mozilla should or shouldn't do in this case. They know better, and more importantly, they are free to do what they want. I just want to point out to IAB, whoever they are, that if they want to make an appealing argument, maybe put the user forward?

Re:An Open Letter To Mozilla Corporation by pasbesoin on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:24PM (#5553199)
I would permit some advertising, if 1) It didn't "move around" and try to distract me; 2) It wasn't a potential vector for malicious technical endeavors (meaning, as opposed to advertisements for crap/exploitative products).

Every time I read about another ad network vector for malicious behavior, my current position is reinforced. I feel some guilt about this, with respect to sites I like, but it doesn't override my need for "safe computing".

So... if you want your advertising to get onto my system, improve your fucking product!

Back when "the Web was young", I permitted advertising, and I actually encountered a number of interesting and useful products via it. That was also a time when the "Web" community was a lot smaller, and particularly technology-oriented advertising has a significantly higher chance of being on-target with respect at least to me as audience.

Then ads starting moving, shouting, and playing bad sets. And then came the malware. That was it, for me.

Clean up your act, and I might let you back.

Sooner or later, someone is going to figure this out.

Re:An Open Letter To Mozilla Corporation by nateweiss on Monday April 15, 2013 @01:45PM (#5552891)
Agreed. While the trend away from 3rd party cookies is at present and will probably continue to be a thorn in my side in the coming years as a coder, I think that most internet users will be happier in a world where they are mostly not supported. If you just read through the list of companies that signed (lots of media this and that), I think most normal folks would hardly be sorry not to be able to be "tracked" (whatever that turns out to mean in practice) by them.

In general reminds me of the movie business that gouges customers on ticket prices and concessions, then complains when the customers start watching movies elsewhere.

Re:An Open Letter To Mozilla Corporation by thirdstation on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:15PM (#5553134)
They did include you:

> and the millions of consumers who enjoy the diversity of content and services the internet provides

(Ignore the small-i internet typo).

Do they mean to suggest that millions of consumers enjoy advertising? Thank you for thinking of me IAB!

Re:An Open Letter To Mozilla Corporation by amitparikh on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:26PM (#5553213)
I don't think they mean to suggest that all users "enjoy" advertising, but it IS a reality of the current state of Internet monetization economics that advertising plays a large role in allowing, in IAB's words, the "long tail" of the web to operate in the near-term and grow in the long-term.
Re:An Open Letter To Mozilla Corporation by thirdstation on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:48PM (#5553376)
> I don't think they mean to suggest that all users "enjoy" advertising,

I don't think so either :-) I was merely poking fun at the way they co-opted the entire Internet in an attempt to make Mozilla seem like they are on the wrong side of the issue.

They would be more genuine if they wrote an open letter to the Internet instructing how to re-enable third-party cookies in Mozilla and why they are good (according to the IAB).

Re:An Open Letter To Mozilla Corporation by vy8vWJlco on Monday April 15, 2013 @02:42PM (#5553338)
I suspect that if the web were less ad-oriented, native software would experience a boon, which I think would have a number of interesting and positive effects on the developer/programmer/hacker community.
Re:An Open Letter To Mozilla Corporation by mmv on Monday April 15, 2013 @03:05PM (#5553509)
Many times the user is interested in what "ad-supported small businesses" and "small publishers" (or even ad-supported big business and publishers) have to offer, so if those can't keep themselves running, there's a chance that the user will not be happy.

Besides disabling cookies doesn't mean blocking ads, so if the lack of tracking makes ads less attractive, other (possibly more intrusive) techniques must be used. I, for one, surely wouldn't want that.

That said, I think IAB has a very reasonable point there.