Re:PayPal, Visa rival Revolution Money gets $42 mln from Gol...
by ShabbyDoo on Monday April 06, 2009 @01:54PM
(#549253)
I have a Revolution card. I got $50 off at Buy.com a year ago, so I signed up. Haven't used it since. The rate was absurd -- about 27% for a guy with a good credit score. So, I think they're just transferring the cost from merchant to consumer, at least for those who keep a balance.
I don't use the card because I have other cards with good "rewards" equal to a percent or two of purchases. If a merchant charges me the same price for a widget no matter what card I use, why wouldn't I use the one with the bribe? The obvious solution for merchants is to offer a percent or two off the normal price, but the Visa/Mastercard cartel requires the same price to be charged to consumers no matter if a Visa/MC is used or not (IIRC). So, Revolution would have to have market penetration close to Visa/MC to convince merchants to opt out of the cartel's grasp. Unlikely to happen without a lot more than $42M spent in marketing.
So, while I hope somebody disrupts the current state of affairs, I don't understand how Revolution thinks its going to pull it off.
Re:PayPal, Visa rival Revolution Money gets $42 mln from Gol...
by dminor on Monday April 06, 2009 @05:08PM
(#549638)
Actually, just being able to keep more of the transaction should be incentive enough for merchants. All that's really needed is a high enough consumer buy-in to make it worthwhile to deploy.
Credit card processing fees are ridiculously high given how much of the risk is offloaded onto merchants and other parties.
Re:PayPal, Visa rival Revolution Money gets $42 mln from Gol...
by ShabbyDoo on Monday April 06, 2009 @06:25PM
(#549794)
Getting merchants to sign up should be really easy. But, how do you get them to pull the plug on Visa/MC? They'd have to be sure that they wouldn't lose too much revenue, and that would require a significant portion of the card-holding population to have a revolution card. And, you'd have to deal with corporations that only have one of Visa/MC/AmEx for corp purchases.
I suppose merchants could feature Revolution prominently to increase its use, but they can't make it too hard to use other cards or they'll lose out. And, given my 1%-2% bribe for using my Visa/MC, why wouldn't I look for the little button down in the corner?
Discover (Sears) was able to introduce a new card, but they too the opposite route -- they bribed consumers to use it. So, even though it has basically the same fees as the others (IIRC), consumers could see an effectively lower price through its use.
Re:PayPal, Visa rival Revolution Money gets $42 mln from Gol...
by dminor on Monday April 06, 2009 @07:31PM
(#549897)
The bribe in this case is free consumer to consumer transfers (and I don't think this bribe should be underestimated), but you're right, savvy consumers will still just use their rewards cards and continue to be subsidized by those who don't have rewards cards.
I don't think anyone will pull the plug on Visa/MC any time soon, but more competition would be nice.
Re:PayPal, Visa rival Revolution Money gets $42 mln from Gol...
by novis on Monday April 06, 2009 @01:19PM
(#549191)
wow, they charge no interchange fee and only 0.50% for transaction processing and settlement. i have a similar idea (a new payment system/credit card) but was thinking to charge about 1% processing fee... need to recalculate my fee and rev. est.
Re:PayPal, Visa rival Revolution Money gets $42 mln from Gol...
by ShabbyDoo on Monday April 06, 2009 @01:44PM
(#549226)
You had better have a lot of capital. Introducing a a new product into a space where network effects create barriers to entry requires significant cash.
I don't use the card because I have other cards with good "rewards" equal to a percent or two of purchases. If a merchant charges me the same price for a widget no matter what card I use, why wouldn't I use the one with the bribe? The obvious solution for merchants is to offer a percent or two off the normal price, but the Visa/Mastercard cartel requires the same price to be charged to consumers no matter if a Visa/MC is used or not (IIRC). So, Revolution would have to have market penetration close to Visa/MC to convince merchants to opt out of the cartel's grasp. Unlikely to happen without a lot more than $42M spent in marketing.
So, while I hope somebody disrupts the current state of affairs, I don't understand how Revolution thinks its going to pull it off.
Credit card processing fees are ridiculously high given how much of the risk is offloaded onto merchants and other parties.
I suppose merchants could feature Revolution prominently to increase its use, but they can't make it too hard to use other cards or they'll lose out. And, given my 1%-2% bribe for using my Visa/MC, why wouldn't I look for the little button down in the corner?
Discover (Sears) was able to introduce a new card, but they too the opposite route -- they bribed consumers to use it. So, even though it has basically the same fees as the others (IIRC), consumers could see an effectively lower price through its use.
I don't think anyone will pull the plug on Visa/MC any time soon, but more competition would be nice.