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Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by anigbrowl on Tuesday April 02, 2013 @07:55PM (#5483071)
So what? The Leaf is still about 1/3 the price of the Tesla car, so it's inarguably more affordable. Pointing out that the average buyer is reasonably well off is beside the point.

From an environmental standpoint it's going to lead to a greater reduction in fossil fuel use in the aggregate, assuming it sees the same pattern of takeup as the Prius did.

Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by podperson on Tuesday April 02, 2013 @10:18PM (#5483783)
The simplest way to make electric cars more successful is to increase the artificially low price of gasoline, e.g. By factoring in the costs of our mid-east foreign policy and a good deal of our navy since both are driven in large part by our need for oil.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by eru on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @12:23AM (#5484223)
I agree. But don't expect any magic.

Europe has much higher costs of gasoline than the USA. They still don't have roads full of electric cars.

Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by Cass on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @03:26AM (#5484757)
We do have a lot fewer SUVs and other gas guzzlers, though.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @03:24AM (#5484751)
> They still don't have roads full of electric cars.

yet. Government subsidizes 100% electrical cars heavily in the form of low / no road taxes or lease tax, and with a high amount of <100 km commuter traffic, electrical cars with their limited range make sense.

Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by flyinRyan on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @03:36AM (#5484783)
There aren't many Hummers either.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by cantankerous on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @01:52AM (#5484507)
Americans drive a lot more than Europeans. I'm not sure if it's a totally fair comparison, but still a good point.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by eru on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @02:35AM (#5484625)
Yes. And driving less is one of the predictable reactions to higher petrol prices.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by Ntrails on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @04:59AM (#5484997)
It's also a space thing. As a Brit the thing I didn't get so well before going there is how sodding big the US is, and how normal it's citizens think it is to drive to the next town over which just happens to be an hour or so away.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by cantankerous on Thursday April 04, 2013 @12:39AM (#5491009)
I was doing just this with a German foreign exchange student in Missouri once. He commented about halfway there that, if he were at home, we'd be in Poland already.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by cantankerous on Thursday April 04, 2013 @12:40AM (#5491015)
Americans will continue to drive automobiles more than Europeans if gas prices were to go to parity. Our mass transit infrastructure is laughable by comparison. Also, we're way more spread out than Europe is.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by Kliment on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @06:26AM (#5485206)
Electricity costs are significantly higher than in the USA as well.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by ars on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @01:14AM (#5484366)
It might be a simple solution, but that doesn't make it a good solution. The number of unintended consequences will be enormous.

For example: Will you tax diesel as well? If not, then people will switch to that, with poor results for our air quality.

If yes, then suddenly every since thing you buy will be more expensive, since it's all shipped.

And those are just the first two things that popped into mind - there will be a LOT more consequences.

Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by aidenn0 on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @01:49AM (#5484498)
So you are fine subsidizing oil companies by allowing them to externalize their costs?

Also shipping is starting to switch to natural gas; you may think this a good or a bad thing, but a tax on diesel would increase that.

Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by raverbashing on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @08:59AM (#5485715)
No, you do it by taxing gasoline and diesel

You can discriminate between uses in a way similar to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_diesel#reddiesel

Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by varjag on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @03:58AM (#5484827)
Taxing fuel is very much solved problem elsewhere.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by rfugger on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @03:21AM (#5484745)
You just tax the carbon emissions.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by jfb on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @09:15AM (#5485790)
Exactly. Tax the negative externality [1]. Let people make decisions factoring in more of the costs.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax

Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by podperson on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @07:32PM (#5490001)
Taxing carbon emissions is a fine idea, but gasoline (and other petroleum products such as diesel) also need to pay for the costs of US mid-east policy. We've never had terrorists blow up buildings or a marine barracks because of our coal mining activity.
Re:Tesla Unveils New Finance Product by lostlogin on Wednesday April 03, 2013 @02:46AM (#5484651)
The costs of Middle East policy doesnt need factoring in, they are there already. And the cost of petrol isn't the same everywhere as it is in the US, and is significantly inflated by taxes in many places. Over 50% of what I pay is tax.