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Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by jiggy2011 on Thursday March 28, 2013 @05:47PM (#5457885)
I'm not sure how such a boycott would even work, insist that all advertising uses ugly women?
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by JulianMorrison on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:30PM (#5458100)
When orchestras started doing tryouts behind an opaque screen, they found that their previous insistence that women couldn't play as well as men was bogus, because the interviewees that got the job were 50/50 male and female. You could get a third party to white out the gender cues on resumes before you sort them into the shortlist, and then conduct interviews over text skype.

But honestly, someone who uses the concept "ugly women" is failing so hard at sexism already they might as well be a character from "Mad Men".

Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by theorique on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:23PM (#5458295)
But honestly, someone who uses the concept "ugly women" is failing so hard at sexism already they might as well be a character from "Mad Men".

I suspect you mean they are succeeding at being sexist?

Also, why is it sexist to acknowledge that some people are better looking than others? Clearly, making this sort of judgment about a non-customer-facing role is inappropriate, but is it wrong to acknowledge that looks play a part in customer contact[1] roles?

[1] In person, obviously. No one care what the call center person looks like as long as they speak English.

Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by reinhardt on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:23PM (#5458298)
TIL finding a woman ugly is considered hardcore sexism. PC has moved beyond self-mockery at this point, it's surreal.
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by JulianMorrison on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:42PM (#5458367)
This is not art appreciation nor is it dating, it isn't even clothes modelling, it's product promotion. Have a little professionalism.
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by jholman on Thursday March 28, 2013 @09:07PM (#5458699)
Don't be an ass. Today you learned, at most, that at least one person thinks that finding a woman ugly is hardcore sexism.

More generally, calling things "PC" is a lazy shortcut, a straw man attack.

I mean, unless someone actually sincerely says to you "oh, reinhardt, you mustn't say XYZ, I want you to be politically correct". In that case, mock away.

I absolutely disagree with JulianMorrison (that "us[ing] the concept 'ugly women' is failing so hard at sexism ..."). My disagreement has nothing to do with suspecting him of being "PC", nor do I dismiss other related claims from other people because of the existence of this statement.

Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by jiggy2011 on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:39PM (#5458140)
We're talking about advertising where visual appeal is a key part.
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by calibraxis on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:00PM (#5457957)
No need for body-shaming terms like "ugly women". In any case, the US civil rights, feminist and leftist movements have all sorts of successful case studies, if you are seriously interested in helping pursue this.
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by jiggy2011 on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:09PM (#5458005)
Well, you could say "women with body types that men are more likely to pay attention to" or as they are commonly known "models".

Trying to get people to deprogram their own biology at a very deep level is probably going to be a losing battle.

Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by JulianMorrison on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:32PM (#5458110)
The idea that men pay attention to supermodel shaped women is (1) sexist (2) very mistaken. Sexist men pay horny attention to them. Horniness is a distraction from a product pitch. "I'm sorry, what did you say again? I was staring at your chest."
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by theorique on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:28PM (#5458314)
The idea that men pay attention to supermodel shaped women is (1) sexist (2) very mistaken.

Do you know any men in real life? Unless you're just trolling, I find it hard to believe that you actually believe this.

Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by JulianMorrison on Thursday March 28, 2013 @08:02PM (#5458447)
Do you know how to distinguish attention from horndogging? Hint: attention is that which is paid to the subject of the conversation. If all you can remember afterwards is "bow chicka wow wow", you're doing it wrong.
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by mattsfrey on Thursday March 28, 2013 @09:14PM (#5458718)
Years ago I worked at a gas station, one night they sent down 2 Miller Lite girls to do promo. If you bought a case of miller light you got to take your picture with the girls and got a free magnet etc. They were there for one hour before moving on, we emptied our entire stock of Miller in that hour.Guys were coming in for weeks asking about when they'd be back. "Horndogging" or not, sex sells and it isn't going anywhere.
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by lotyrin on Thursday March 28, 2013 @09:15PM (#5458721)
If you think it's a black and white "HURR TITS" vs "Quite interesting, madam. Please tell me where I might subscribe to your newsletter." rather than a spectrum therebetween, you're sorely mistaken.

Marketers have (I can only assume) found that triggering the former to lead to the latter is a working strategy (they do tend to at least try to base their actions on observed results). Even if that's not the case the concept that there's a dual throw switch for power between the gonads and the brain seems pretty silly and needlessly underestimates men (though it sort of overestimates them at the same time I guess...).

Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by theorique on Friday March 29, 2013 @01:48PM (#5461944)
It is possible to do both - e.g. talk to a hot chick who is also technical about C++ templates ... and simultaneously about how to bang her.

A man has both brains and balls, to expect that he can switch one of those off or pretend it does not exist is unrealistic. (Obviously, this does not excuse a man if he sexually harasses a woman or otherwise behaves badly.)

Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by mkr-hn on Thursday March 28, 2013 @09:59PM (#5458848)
I believe it. I find supermodels completely unappealing.
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by summerdown2 on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:21PM (#5458285)
The idea that men pay attention to supermodel shaped women is sexist?

Surely this is a parody?

Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by pekk on Thursday March 28, 2013 @10:18PM (#5458906)
Men pay attention to whatever they like, and not all men are attracted to supermodel shaped women, and not all men are equally engaged sexually in situations which have nothing to do with sex or courting.
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by jiggy2011 on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:40PM (#5458146)
Men don't pay attention to supermodels, are you sure?
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by JulianMorrison on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:43PM (#5458372)
You're missing the point. Look up, horndog, the face, and the product pitch is up here.
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by jiggy2011 on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:50PM (#5458404)
Now I'm utterly confused.
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by warfangle on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:31PM (#5458103)
How about advertising that focuses on the product instead of a set of reproductive organs?
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by jiggy2011 on Thursday March 28, 2013 @06:43PM (#5458159)
Sometimes you need to show people using the product etc. Unless you mean advertising that is literally pictures of vaginas?
Re:Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort... by pyre on Thursday March 28, 2013 @07:45PM (#5458380)

  | literally pictures of vaginas?
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