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Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by throwaway10283 on Monday March 25, 2013 @01:18PM (#5438213)
Obviously I can't not defend myself, but it's difficult when I'm already living off a student's budget. Do you have any recommendations or ideas for good and reasonable-priced attorneys?
Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by jacquesm on Monday March 25, 2013 @01:25PM (#5438264)
You really need a good lawyer. No other options there. I'm not sure if he's still active here but you could contact George Grellas (who is both nice, exceptionally knowledgeable and approachable) and ask him what to do, he was quite active here on HN for a while, 2 minutes of googling will locate him. 5 minutes of his time will be worth more than all the (well intentioned) advice you're going to get here.

Without details nobody will be able to give you advice beyond 'get a lawyer' and I fully understand why you don't want to give out any more info here.

The one bit of info I can give you, once you have a lawyer, give him all the information that you can find on this, don't leave anything that you feel is not relevant, a late surprise in a thing like this can be costly.

Best of luck!

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by genwin on Monday March 25, 2013 @02:52PM (#5438860)
Let's be realistic. Beyond the initial consultation a good lawyer is incompatible with a student's budget. Sometimes life is grossly unfair and there's not much you can do about it. Throwaway may well end up owing the plaintiff. At least there's the option of bankruptcy to wipe out the debt.
Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by throwaway10283 on Monday March 25, 2013 @01:29PM (#5438289)
Thanks for the name! I'll look him up. And, obviously I didn't expect people to provide specific legal advice, but just in general how to handle these situations, and if anybody has actually been through it before.
Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by jacquesm on Monday March 25, 2013 @01:35PM (#5438353)
Handling the situation is the easy part. Locate lawyer, give them all the relevant info, watch two lawyers exchange a bunch of letters and then hopefully it either goes away once the other party is convinced the case is baseless, or it will go to trial. Stop communicating directly with the plaintiff or their lawyers until you have a lawyer.

The best defence is to make sure they realize that you can't pluck feathers from a frog.

Any weaknesses you have should be offset by your contractual terms (assuming there was a contract).

Since you say you were employed they would have to work very hard to prove malice on your part, especially since they decided to keep you on as long as they did. Any damage they claim you caused should be easy to prove for them, hard to defend against by you if it is to stick, but without more specifics that's unknown.

For the record I have been the plaintiff in a case like this, where an employee decided to blackmail me and turn off a website overnight locking me out of the server. Needless to say that didn't end very well for said employee, not because I'm rich and he was weak but because he was a jerk that did something he never should have done: assume that blackmail is a viable option.

In the end that one was resolved out-of-court by the time the defendants lawyer had a chance to talk some sense into the defendant.

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by wfunction on Monday March 25, 2013 @01:51PM (#5438474)
> "Needless to say that didn't end very well for said employee"

Did you mean employer?

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by mitchellhislop on Monday March 25, 2013 @02:18PM (#5438636)
>"For the record I have been the plaintiff in a case like this, where an employee decided to blackmail me ..."

I bet he meant employee.

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by wfunction on Monday March 25, 2013 @10:10PM (#5440998)
Ah, my mistake, I misread the sentences; thanks.
Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by jpdoctor on Monday March 25, 2013 @01:25PM (#5438268)
> when I'm already living off a student's budget.

So you don't have assets? And they're suing you for sport?

If so, he's made a big mistake. You'll just declare bankruptcy if you lose, but some lawyer might well take your case for the sport of countersuing and a percentage of the take.

Put another way: Your exposure is small and their's is large (since you've said they have big assets.) Somebody is going to want to chase this ambulance.

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by throwaway10283 on Monday March 25, 2013 @01:30PM (#5438308)
Yep. I think it's a combination of him showing his potential investors that they really handed it to this asshole kid who screwed up their company (obviously, the CEO wasn't at fault at all), and an attempt to just screw with me as much as possible.

I already have contacted a bankruptcy attorney, and apparently you can file before there's a judgment against you. So, thanks! That's definitely reaffirming and on my radar :)

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by dhimes on Monday March 25, 2013 @01:51PM (#5438477)
Talk to a lawyer before pursuing this, but it may make you smile a bit in the midst of your worry so I'll post it here.

You mentioned that you are living off of a student's budget. Does that mean you are a student? If so, did he hire you on a contractual basis? Meaning, without benefits, etc.? If so, you may have a play that will not only get you some $ but make him look absolutely incompetent in front of his investors. It's actually pretty easy to show (in some states anyway) that you should have been compensated as a full-time employee. MA, for instance, is very harsh on owners who hire 'contractors' who do the work that would normally be done by employees. Even if you have a written agreement to the contrary, the court could decide that you were in fact an employee and award you triple damages.

My friend just lost a case like this. It absolutely stunned me (and her, for that matter). She fired an incompetent contractor, and the contractor turned around and sued. And won.

It sent chills up my spine, but if it fits your case then it could work for you as a threat to embarrass him if not even for the money.

But, ffs, talk to a good lawyer!

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by HarryHirsch on Monday March 25, 2013 @02:27PM (#5438689)
> MA, for instance, is very harsh on owners who hire 'contractors' who do the work that would normally be done by employees. Even if you have a written agreement to the contrary, the court could decide that you were in fact an employee and award you triple damages.

This is actually a good thing. See, there are cases like "independent" delivery drivers who work exclusively and full-time for one company and as contractors are denied benefits.

If these people are on sufficiently low income they can apply for Medicaid in case of illness, in which case the cost is borne by the taxpayer. I feel the cost should go to the company owner. You cannot make the argument that society should pay for the fact that such company offers lower prices on their product or that the owner should have a higher income.

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by dhimes on Monday March 25, 2013 @02:44PM (#5438795)
I agree that abuse is rampant and bad, and that without laws many business owners will be abusive. I just think that MA argues a little too strongly for the contractor. And it is definitely something he or she will worry about, which was my point to OP.

In the case I mentioned, being a contractor was never an issue or a problem for the person. But when she was let go, she got pissed off and used her leverage for revenge.

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by HarryHirsch on Monday March 25, 2013 @03:22PM (#5439076)
My point was that people shouldn't be shocked, shocked when they get busted for breaking the law.

Of course the fellow wouldn't complain while he was employed. People who live in illegal apartments tend not to complain either, until something goes seriously wrong.

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by dhimes on Monday March 25, 2013 @04:15PM (#5439440)
My point is that they aren't breaking the law- until a jury decides they are. They've entered into a consensual agreement for fee-for-work as contractor. Both agree. Both understand. Contractor has certain freedoms (work mostly from home on own schedule, etc.) and certain obligations (pay own taxes, etc).

But a jury decides that the agreement isn't right and that someone was actually an employee. And awards triple damages.

Yes, this can be abused by employers. But even when it's not- it can still give employers heartburn. Anyway, in OP's case it's moot because he was W-9.

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by jt2190 on Monday March 25, 2013 @07:11PM (#5440325)

  > They've entered into a consensual agreement for 
  > fee-for-work as contractor.
It simply doesn't work like that. A worker isn't a contractor just because the employer and the worker have "agreed"... Both parties must be able to demonstrate that the worker is indeed operating like a contractor. See the IRS rules on this, for example: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Em...
Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by dhimes on Tuesday March 26, 2013 @08:12AM (#5442654)
I know. I fully understand this. But certain jurisdictions rule differently. And in MA, it is a serious threat. In OP's case, again, it is irrelevant because he was a w-2 employee.
Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by nlh on Monday March 25, 2013 @01:55PM (#5438498)
Do yourself a favor -- don't go down the bankruptcy path too soon. Speak to a good lawyer first and try to get things resolved. Bankruptcy has long-lasting consequences, stays with you in some form for the rest of your life and should really be avoided unless absolutely necessary.

Since you're a student (didn't know your age when I wrote my other comment), it's even more likely that they have no intention of actually following through with the lawsuit, so rest (slightly) easier knowing this will likely cost them more $$ than it will cost you.

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by RougeFemme on Monday March 25, 2013 @02:34PM (#5438740)
If you're a student and your parent's/parents' dependent and she/he/they have a pre-paid legal plan, you may be able to at least get one of lawyers in the plan to write a letter responding to the lawsuit. As others have suggested, that may be enough to stop things or at least buy some time.
Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by gojomo on Monday March 25, 2013 @02:42PM (#5438784)
As others mention, your school may have a free legal clinic, especially if it has an associated law school. If not, other schools in the area, or a city/municipality, may have a similar clinic. Many top firms have their lawyers do some 'pro bono' work; the key is to find the intermediaries (like law clinics) who can match you up.

But also, when shopping for a lawyer you essentially get 15-60 minutes free with them as a pre-engagement discussion. You can learn a lot just by shopping around! And especially, you'll realize that lawyers vary a lot in their assessment of the issues and your options. (The 10th person you talk to may introduce yet another crucial point for a quick and low-cost resolution... so don't go with the 1st smooth talker!) You should prepare a written summary of the events from your perspective, to quickly get a potential advisor up to speed, and improve this summary over time when early conversations reveal important wrinkles.

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by joeblossom on Monday March 25, 2013 @01:57PM (#5438511)
Have you looked into whether or not your school provides free legal services?

My university's student government paid for two pretty awesome lawyers (through a student tax) which could be used for pretty much any legal matter (from starting up a business to criminal charges) for free. At the very least they can probably refer you to someone who can help you.

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by llopatin on Monday March 25, 2013 @02:02PM (#5438551)
If you are a still an active student, check if your University has free legal counsel (usually provided by law students)
Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by BHSPitMonkey on Monday March 25, 2013 @03:12PM (#5439002)
Are you a student? If so, most universities have free (included in your tuition/fees) student legal services, with lawyers you can meet with for free.
Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by gcb0 on Monday March 25, 2013 @02:30PM (#5438712)
> living off a student's budget.

assuming that's not just an analogy, most universities provide free (or almost free) legal consultation on campus.

Re:Ask HN: Have you ever been sued by your startup? by danielweber on Monday March 25, 2013 @03:42PM (#5439220)
Lots of lawyers work on credit. They'll understand that you may be unable to pay right away.