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Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by powertower on Monday March 04, 2013 @01:50PM (#5319836)
If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself (it happens when you take everything you have for granted).

In NK you'd be lucky to get 1 meal a day. Over here poor people are morbidly fat.

And at the end of the day, you're not a prisoner, if you hate it here so much, you can leave this country any day you want to. But can't say the same for people in NK.

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by fleitz on Monday March 04, 2013 @01:56PM (#5319901)
How is it that you think I was talking about a country other than NK? Is there a country other than NK with such a piss poor human rights record?

Generally when someone murders one person we regard them as a horrid individual we don't say their not that bad because they only killed 1 instead of 10 like that Ted Bundy guy.

I didn't say I was living in a police state, the country I live in hasn't executed anyone in 40 years, and we certainly didn't think it was a big deal to destroy our nuclear weapons arsenal, stop stockpiling nuclear weapons, or ban landmines. I simply said we should stop hosting websites in countries with numerous years of history of horrid human rights abuse. Imagine living in a country where as recently at 1960 that certain classes of people were forbidden from eating lunch with other classes of people.

I find your definition of police state interesting, would you say that NK would stop being a police state with different emigration policies?

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by chasing on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:31PM (#5320241)
You're right! The United States is JUST LIKE NORTH KOREA! It's uncanny. Like that one time Obama starved the entire population of the country and proved his international bona fides by meeting with Dennis Rodman.
Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by sigzero on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:05PM (#5319986)
Stop being obtuse.
Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by sigkill on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:56PM (#5320868)
Fantastic - And I mean no sarcasm. Your previous comment was brilliantly written, allowing the user to draw his own conclusion. Except for that part 'incarcerate people at a rate higher than any other country' which gives it away...
Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by Turing_Machine on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:30PM (#5320694)
"Is there a country other than NK with such a piss poor human rights record?"

Sure. Germany and Russia to name just two. Several European countries in degree if not in sheer magnitude.

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by youngerdryas on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:23PM (#5320180)
And what country are you from?

Edit: Oh I get it, if you you don't say what country you can pretend they are perfect. Brilliant.

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by anonymfus on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:24PM (#5320648)
> the country I live in hasn't executed anyone in 40 years, and we certainly didn't think it was a big deal to destroy our nuclear weapons arsenal, stop stockpiling nuclear weapons, or ban landmines.

From all countries with nuclear weapon 40 years without death penalty match only UK.

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by vonmoltke on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:36PM (#5320729)
Except the UK is nowhere near destroying their arsenal; in fact, they are trying to figure out how to replace their current missile boats. The country described by that line does not actually exist.
Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by youngerdryas on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:25PM (#5320655)
Ok, then he can go to jail for a tweet.
Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by grecy on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:01PM (#5319947)
> If you think you can legitimately compare the living conditions, political environment, and human suffering in North Korea that with the USA, you might have also brainwashed yourself

The parent comment wasn't comparing NK to the USA.

It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly.

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by Turing_Machine on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:37PM (#5320733)
"It was comparing the USA to every other developed country, where the USA ranks very poorly."

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

It does?

Doesn't Europe have at least one violent ethnic conflict going on at any given time? Usually several?

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by notahacker on Monday March 04, 2013 @05:41PM (#5321531)
If the best example of current US performance relative to other developed countries you can think of is "killed fewer people than other protagonists in last century's World Wars" (which is essentially what your cited stats show) you may as well not bother.

n.b. I'm sure Rummel would grudgingly admit that the US is far worse than any other developed country for committing acts of "democide" this century. In fact it's probably the only metric in which a sane person could argue the US might have performed worse than North Korea in recent years.

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by Turing_Machine on Monday March 04, 2013 @06:43PM (#5321822)
Yeah, I rank governments that murder millions of their own people pretty low on the scale of "human rights". Sorry.

Edit: Most of those people weren't "killed in World War II". They were murdered. By their own governments.

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by notahacker on Monday March 04, 2013 @07:33PM (#5322048)
You responded to a comment that the US ranked poorly in relation to 'every other developed country' with an outdated casualty count implying the US government might have been less deadly to human life than Germany, Japan and the UK before 1945 (and also less deadly than a few non-developed countries since then). I'm pretty sure the same set of statistics points towards the US government causing more deaths than other developed countries since 1945, which is why I thought it probably didn't help your case. Sorry.
Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by Turing_Machine on Wednesday March 06, 2013 @09:32PM (#5335643)
Yes, I take the long view when it comes to goverments.

I fully expect the current Eurozone crisis to devolve into bloodshed before it's over, by the way.

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by grecy on Monday March 04, 2013 @07:01PM (#5321921)
> Yeah, I rank governments that murder millions of their own people pretty low on the scale of "human rights". Sorry.

You seem only interested in comparing the US to undeveloped and developing countries, which is not a useful comparison.

Why not compare the US to developed countries?

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by fleitz on Tuesday March 05, 2013 @07:58PM (#5328618)
Trail of tears...
Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by grecy on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:53PM (#5320840)
> It does?

Bottom of the list for everything that matters.

http://www.oecd.org/statistics/

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by Turing_Machine on Monday March 04, 2013 @06:51PM (#5321863)
"Bottom of the list for everything that matters."

Except for "first choice to which to immigrate", oddly.

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by Turing_Machine on Monday March 04, 2013 @07:00PM (#5321917)
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.NETM

It's called "voting with your feet".

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by grecy on Tuesday March 05, 2013 @12:05AM (#5323035)
..and by capita it's barely 20% of Australia's net immigration growth.
Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by Turing_Machine on Wednesday March 06, 2013 @09:29PM (#5335629)
U.S. immigration is severely restricted. The waiting list can be up to 20 years long.

If the U.S. had the same immigration policies as, say, Canada or Australia, you could add an order of magnitude to those numbers. Easily.

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by Turing_Machine on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:50PM (#5320815)
Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by kingkawn on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:41PM (#5320314)
Don't deny them their straw man.
Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by megablast on Monday March 04, 2013 @02:06PM (#5319988)
It is almost like the difference between 1984 and a Brave New World.

Ok, maybe not, but you can compare the two. The US is not getting better.

Re:The Pirate Bay is now hosted in North Korea by angersock on Monday March 04, 2013 @03:13PM (#5320555)
I wouldn't be so fast as to dismiss obesity. Especially when the culture is saturated with body images that are so far from the folks who are that size, and are so far from being able to easily lose that weight.