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Re:Email-First Startups by swanson on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:52PM (#5280315)
Email as the interface is really interesting to me. Users don't necessarily need a username/password combo. They don't need to learn a new workflow. They don't need to install any new tools. Company IT depts take care of making sure people can access their email on their phones/laptops.

I've built a product that tracks team mood that is based almost entirely on email. Instead of having a team of 10 developers each make their own accounts, there is just one account for the manager - who manages the list of the team's emails. The team members record their mood by clicking one of three links in the email, no complicated forms or sliders. Usage and adoption rates have been beyond my expectations (~70% response rate to daily emails) and I think the use of email is a major factor.

Email-first is very constraining - but ultimately constraints help spur creative and elegant solutions.

Re:Email-First Startups by shurcooL on Monday February 25, 2013 @02:35PM (#5281173)
> no complicated forms or sliders.

I find this very interesting. What made you want to avoid use a slider?

Personally, I really dislike such limiting options. Good, meh, bad? It doesn't let me express if I'm a little better than good or somewhere between Good and Meh. I'd often have to truncate my true expression.

For myself, I would love a single simple slider. It would let me express myself with any degree of accuracy I want. Very specific, or just rough.

Am I an exception from the average user?

Because this bugs me in so many places. So many things are in or out. I want them to be a floating point value between 0 to 1. Website favourites. I wish I could favourite them by any amount between 0 to 1, etc. (Then you could do all sorts of things like display the higher-ranked items larger, or filter displaying only >= 0.75 items). Same goes for app/movie rankings. Why do I have to truncate my feelings to 1-5 stars instead of just dropping a slider to where I feel like?

Re:Email-First Startups by swanson on Monday February 25, 2013 @02:47PM (#5281280)
My take is that when you use a slider - or the common 5-item Likert scales (strongly agree, agree, neutral, disagree, strongly disagree) - people will waffle over their answer. The fewer the options, the lesser cognitive overload of having decide is today a "great" day or just a "good" day.

I don't want answering the question "how is your day going?" to take more than the 2 seconds it takes to move your mouse to the link.

The problem with the slider is that you have you interface with it. So the workflow would be: get an email, click a link, move a slider (compared to get an email, click one of 3 links). I know I'd want to avoid the extra step as a user, so that's why I opted for that approach.

There is also an option for the user to enter an anonymous comment after they have logged their mood - so if you want to express why today is bad or add note that it is an especially excellent day you can do that.

At a higher level view, I think the value in this particular app is not a scientifically rigorous computation of a teams mood, but rather as a conversation starter ("why has there been a few 'bads' this week? let's talk about it") and a general trend indicator ("morale is down since we moved to the new office, what's up with that?").

Re:Email-First Startups by shurcooL on Monday February 25, 2013 @03:22PM (#5281514)
Yeah, I think having more options (like 5-item Likert) would be worse for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

It's a good point that you can't do a slider in email, I didn't think of. Unless email allows embedding an html form that you can submit? I've never seen anything more than static html in my email so I guess it must not be possible.

Anyway, thanks for your explanation, it makes sense. I think I'll make myself a 0-1 floating point favourites tracker and see how I like using it.

Re:Email-First Startups by swanson on Monday February 25, 2013 @03:35PM (#5281592)
Yeah, forms in an email are tricky. Some clients actually do support them - which was a big surprise to me! http://www.campaignmonitor.com/resources/will-it-work/forms/

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it.

Re:Email-First Startups by pjungwir on Monday February 25, 2013 @06:05PM (#5282503)
> What made you want to avoid use a slider?

I built a political survey app once, and we started out using sliders to measure both (1) issue importance and (2) agree/disagree. It was way too fiddly, and no one cared about degree of accuracy. Every iteration of the UI we gave the user fewer choices. By the end I was pushing for just "agree" and "disagree" or even "agree" and "next question," but we never took it quite that far.

Re:Email-First Startups by callmeed on Monday February 25, 2013 @02:50PM (#5281300)
>> Users don't necessarily need a username/password combo.

This is where I really love the Token Authenticatable module in Devise (for Rails).

Your rails app can start by just collecting emails. As your app grows, you can then turn that table into a Devise User model. Turn on token auth. and your emails can now include links that auto-login users.

Re:Email-First Startups by WA on Monday February 25, 2013 @04:38PM (#5282009)
Sounds good in theory, but login-links are a security issue, because they:

  show up in browser history
  can be pasted accidentally somewhere
  are send usually unencrypted via email
You'll need one-time login links, which is partly okay, partly inconvenient.

Don't get me wrong, I play with the idea of login-links as well, but they have some drawbacks that one should at least be aware of.

Re:Email-First Startups by scottmagdalein on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:12PM (#5280456)
Love this idea. Can I see it somewhere online?
Re:Email-First Startups by swanson on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:15PM (#5280483)
Re:Email-First Startups by scottmagdalein on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:50PM (#5280836)
Love it.
Re:Email-First Startups by MattBearman on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:55AM (#5279915)
While this is a good article, I feel like email first is just a specific example of building an MVP.

I did a similar thing when launching BugMuncher - I bought a template from Themeforest, built a very minimal PHP backend, and put a paypal subscription button on to the website.

When ever anyone signed up, I'd get a notification from PayPal, at which point I'd manually add the user's details into my database, and manually send them a welcome email. There was no where for users to log in an amend their account, instead they had to email me with the required changes, and I'd action it.

This meant I could build the first version of BugMuncher very fast, and once I had my first 10 paying customers I felt it was validated enough for me to build the full, automated system.

So in short, MVP's rock

Re:Email-First Startups by swombat on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:48PM (#5280289)
I'm paying an email-first startup £2k a month right now. In fact, it's not just email-first - it's still email-only. They don't even have a website.

They are actually moving to email-first-and-now-a-bit-more tomorrow - from tomorrow onwards, there won't even be any email, as the data they're providing will go straight into another system through an API. From email-first to not-even-email.

Re:Email-First Startups by petercooper on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:37PM (#5280716)
Are you able to say who this is? It sounds very intriguing as a business model. Guessing it's some sort of business/financial data subscription?
Re:Email-First Startups by ThomPete on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:28AM (#5279721)
This was exactly how I started http://www.weekendhacker.net

I was manually going through mails both from project owners and helpers.

Now it's more or less automated (and about to relaunch after a period of silence) but it was good to get validation easily.This was exactly how I started http://www.weekendhacker.net

I was manually going through mails both from project owners and helpers.

Now it's more or less automated (and about to relaunch after a period of silence) but it was good to get validation easily.

Other startups that could have started as emails

AirBnB Ebay TheFancy CraigsList

Re:Email-First Startups by jeffclark on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:56PM (#5280361)
Craigslist did start as an email.

From wikipedia: "Craig Newmark began the service in 1995 as an email distribution list of friends, featuring local events in the San Francisco Bay Area, before becoming a web-based service in 1996 and expanding into other classified categories. It started expanding to other U.S. cities in 2000, and currently covers 50 countries."

Re:Email-First Startups by ThomPete on Monday February 25, 2013 @02:44PM (#5281256)
ahh ok. There you go.
Re:Email-First Startups by michaelbuckbee on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:12PM (#5280458)
Craigslist did start as an email list: "Craig's List"
Re:Email-First Startups by bambax on Monday February 25, 2013 @02:46PM (#5281267)
I just started a Posterous clone (just as in today) that tries to do most things via email (no login necessary... or possible).

It uses Mailgun for email management and in my experience it works flawlessly.

http://urgeous.com/p72t3aaa40h-mourning-posterous-how-and-wh...

Re:Email-First Startups by KateKendall on Monday February 25, 2013 @08:07PM (#5283143)
Yep! This is how we started The Fetch (http://thefetch.com) – a what's happening city guide for professionals to discover local events.

I started it out of Melbourne, Australia and we've gone to 10 cities across the US, Europe and Asia Pac within a year. :)

Re:Email-First Startups by rrhoover on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:27AM (#5279708)
In many ways, it's never been easier to get validation and traction for your startup idea. Email-first is a good strategy for some but I'd love to hear other lean ideas and examples. Forum-first? SMS-first? B&M-first?
Re:Email-First Startups by moorage on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:56AM (#5279920)
Raise-funding-first
Re:Email-First Startups by networked on Monday February 25, 2013 @02:22PM (#5281070)
Phone-first is still pretty much the choice in many places. It's frustrating how many businesses in Eastern Europe, for example, fail to have any other means of contacting them or first-hand sources of information about them.
Re:Email-First Startups by andrewflnr on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:11PM (#5280449)
raldi mentioned Twitter as SMS-first: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5280081
Re:Email-First Startups by armenarmen on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:46PM (#5283598)
could you elaborate on phone first?
Re:Email-First Startups by shanecleveland on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:36PM (#5280208)
Despite the claims of email being dead and/or ripe for disruption, we all use it – a lot. And I agree that email is a great place to gain traction. There is a low barrier of entry by only requiring an email address to receive a newsletter, for instance. And there is no mystery how email works. The biggest thing may be the built in "stickiness." I enjoy trying out new web apps and services, but the hardest part about making an app useful is remembering to use it. That's not a problem if it ends up in a place I already have open and in front of me much of the day – my email.
Re:Email-First Startups by bogrollben on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:03PM (#5279989)
This reminds me of this article I read a month ago: The Most Underrated Digital Marketing Tactics. http://www.digiday.com/brands/the-most-underrated-digital-ma...

Surprisingly: 2 of the 6 marketing directors interviewed said "Email" was the most underrated technique.

There could be something to this email-first idea.

Re:Email-First Startups by orangethirty on Monday February 25, 2013 @04:07PM (#5281805)
There is something to it: it works. But people here are blind to it due to various reasons. Such as the hate towards cold emailing (not spam, but cold), the focus on writing code to fix something that does not need fixing, the focus on problems rather than on the solutions, anod the inherent apathy towards marketing that a lot of programmers have. Something that keeps them busy building useless products that nobody wants.
Re:Email-First Startups by michaelbuckbee on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:15PM (#5280494)
I've built a number of sites/prototypes along these lines, two services (no affiliation beyond using them) that I've found useful are:

http://www.postmarkapp.com and http://www.mailgun.com

In particular they really are quite good at simplifying the parsing of inbound emails, which lets you get going quickly.

Re:Email-First Startups by danhodgins on Monday February 25, 2013 @03:45PM (#5281672)
Building a list and sending emails is an ideal way to start building an audience early and eventually, to test market your product concept.

We expand more upon this idea in the following post: http://www.tinylever.com/building-an-audience-before-or-para...

Re:Email-First Startups by jonmc12 on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:40AM (#5279803)
Craigslist in '95 another example.
Re:Email-First Startups by JacobAldridge on Monday February 25, 2013 @03:24PM (#5281525)
Since I run an email newsletter startup (not quite the same thing as the OP is discussing)it's fair to say I believe in the value of email.

Surprises me how many people though tell me we should build and sell an App instead. Which market would you rather gain traction in - people with smartphones or people with an email address?

Re:Email-First Startups by armenarmen on Monday February 25, 2013 @09:42PM (#5283577)
I think OP was right in saying that email can be used to later up sell on an app or other product. Once you've built a good list, you can even ask them if they would prefer a native app.
Re:Email-First Startups by jawns on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:23PM (#5280585)
At Correlated (http://www.correlated.org), the daily results email has been a key part of the user experience from day one. In fact, users can take part in the site's main activity -- responding to the daily poll question -- straight from their email. I've found that users tolerate a once-a-day email pretty well, and it's a little more noticeable than just an RSS feed.

That said, here's how I think users respond to daily content delivered via email vs. an RSS feed:

-- A handful of RSS feed updates a day: That's cool.

-- A TON of RSS feed updates a day: Still cool. I'll get to 'em when I get to 'em.

-- A handful of email newsletters a day: That's cool.

-- A TON of email newsletters a day: Not cool, man. If I have time, I'll filter them. Otherwise, time to unsubscribe.

So, yeah, right now, email might be a good medium ... but there is a saturation point.

Re:Email-First Startups by petercooper on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:36PM (#5280704)
So, yeah, right now, email might be a good medium ... but there is a saturation point.

Long term it'll continue to be too, just as with anything else. There are only so many magazines, newspapers, TV channels, Web sites, foods, restaurants, drinks, etc, that we can cope with/consume each day too, but new ones come along and knock others out of business without breaking the tolerance for the medium (luckily!) :-)

Re:Email-First Startups by sam1988 on Monday February 25, 2013 @07:47PM (#5283044)
Very interesting. About two weeks ago I coded up this one http://www.samsreminder.com/ in a weekend for fun. (Not really meant to be a startup, but just a service that could be helpful to a few folks.) It is an almost-email-only solution.
Re:Email-First Startups by eli on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:52AM (#5279893)
My former employer FierceMarkets was a very profitable email-only B2B publisher for years. Email isn't sexy, but it's an incredibly powerful and often underrated medium.
Re:Email-First Startups by gdonelli on Monday February 25, 2013 @10:12PM (#5283695)
Building a Twitter client via email: http://essenceapp.com

To focus on the people you care about

Re:Email-First Startups by oron on Tuesday February 26, 2013 @04:30AM (#5284717)
Who produced the video for you ?
Re:Email-First Startups by drewda on Monday February 25, 2013 @01:17PM (#5280516)
Nathan Barry has been writing an articulate blog about the process of starting a SaaS business in this "e-mail first" manner: http://nathanbarry.com/

His product is (well, will be) to offer this as a service to others: http://convertkit.com/

Re:Email-First Startups by dreeves on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:03PM (#5283866)
Beeminder started this way too (it was Kibotzer -- the kibitzing bot [http://blog.beeminder.com/beenamer] -- back then). Bot emails you asking for your number (eg, your weight) and sends you back a graph of your progress.
Re:Email-First Startups by raldi on Monday February 25, 2013 @12:17PM (#5280081)
Let's not forget that this is how Twitter got started, too. (Though they used SMS instead of email.)
Re:Email-First Startups by adrianhoward on Friday March 01, 2013 @01:56PM (#5306170)
I'll add another "me to" to this. Diarysnap (http://diarysnap.com/) started of as a greasy hack that plugged email surveys into an excel spreadsheet - initially manually.
Re:Email-First Startups by stormental on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:10PM (#5283897)
Cloudability started this way too. It wasn't until the initial free email system broke and the people using it wrote in saying WTF that we realized we were onto something...
Re:Email-First Startups by Mz on Monday February 25, 2013 @11:39PM (#5284023)
Can you elaborate? I am having a hard time conceptualizing this.
Re:Email-First Startups by philco on Monday February 25, 2013 @06:49PM (#5282738)
TheLadders.com started exactly like this. IT was an email digest of 100k + jobs, went crazy viral.