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Re:Why I Retired From Apple by tsunamifury on Monday February 18, 2013 @11:03AM (#5238875)
I would hazard a guess that if they were all paid as well as him, they would retire too.
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by doe88 on Monday February 18, 2013 @12:46PM (#5239470)
Tell that to Ballmer.
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by donmelton on Monday February 18, 2013 @03:15PM (#5240354)
Yes, please someone tell that to Ballmer. :)
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by olentangy on Monday February 18, 2013 @01:59PM (#5239911)
I didn't work for Don, but as an engineer in another part of the company. I too was able to retire (at age 49).

It makes me sad that the stock options that made my retirement possible won't be available to the next generation of engineers because of bad tax law (Sarbanes-Oxley).

Re:Why I Retired From Apple by chetanahuja on Monday February 18, 2013 @02:45PM (#5240187)
How does that follow exactly ? Aren't RSU's an option (like at Google) to reward employees with stocks (but not stock options) ?
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by othermaciej on Monday February 18, 2013 @03:22PM (#5240389)
Typically you get a much smaller number of RSUs than options. Though there's no strike price. So RSUs are often worth more if the stock doesn't move much, but worth a lot less if there is a huge run-up.
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by btilly on Monday February 18, 2013 @04:41PM (#5240902)
The benefit of RSUs to the company is not just that they are worth more if a stock doesn't move much, but that they retain value when a stock drops. This avoids the trap where a company has a dip in value, and suddenly all of the people you were trying to keep golden handcuffs on have nothing keeping them there. So they start leaving, which causes you real problems.

The downside is exactly what you say - the potential upside on options is massively greater than RSUs.

Re:Why I Retired From Apple by rboyd on Monday February 18, 2013 @08:09PM (#5241965)
Am I missing something? You still have the same problem with RSUs. RSU value can decline enough that your staff may feel they're no longer getting fair comp and move on.
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by btilly on Monday February 18, 2013 @08:22PM (#5242014)
It can, but it is a lot harder.

If your stock price dips 20%, odds are that most of the stock options you've given out in the last couple of years are now out of the money. But your RSUs retained 80% of their value. 80% of a golden handcuff is a lot better incentive to stay than 0% of one. However Wall St can easily drop your stock price 20% based on nothing real.

Re:Why I Retired From Apple by Mvandenbergh on Tuesday February 19, 2013 @08:59AM (#5244258)
Of course, but if your stock price drops by 25% or so then the RSUs still maintain most of their value. If you were issued $400,000 of RSUs and they're now worth $300,000 - that's still a powerful incentive not to leave before they vest.

On the other hand, if you're issued stock options with a strike price of 10% or so below the market price when they were issued, a 25% drop means that they're completely worthless.

Re:Why I Retired From Apple by donmelton on Monday February 18, 2013 @04:29PM (#5240793)
Much better answer.
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by donmelton on Monday February 18, 2013 @03:16PM (#5240361)
The original options we had weren't restricted. Also, most of them were at a lower strike price since Apple wasn't highly valued then.
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by reaclmbs on Monday February 18, 2013 @02:47PM (#5240198)
I'm not too familiar with the implications of Sarbanes-Oxley-- is this a dig at the SJobs options backdating scandal?
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by donmelton on Monday February 18, 2013 @11:51AM (#5239147)
Some of them did. But the decision to retire is not always about the money.
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by markahern on Monday February 18, 2013 @12:42PM (#5239452)
I'd like to think that most people who become wealthy enough to have the option of retiring early are motivated by something other than money.
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by jarek on Monday February 18, 2013 @05:53PM (#5241332)
What makes you think that? I would think that those motivated primarily by money are overrepresented among early retirees, if only because people motivated primarily by something else (helping people, changing societies, becoming the best by some criterion) will focus on that goal. Getting rich is something most people have to aim at.
Re:Why I Retired From Apple by micampe on Monday February 18, 2013 @11:58AM (#5239185)
People don't always just work for money.