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Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by sigil on Thursday January 24, 2013 @08:21PM (#5113390)
I'm only a little sad about this. Linksys was my go-to for hackable wireless routers until I discovered Ubiquiti. Seriously, these guys make some awesome stuff.

http://www.ubnt.com/

$80 will get you a legal-maximum 1000 mW transmitting, fully OpenWRT-compatible router with 8M flash, 32M RAM, a PoE injector, outdoor enclosure, mounting bracket, and a standard replaceable RP-SMA omni antenna.

http://www.ubnt.com/picostation

Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by IamBren on Thursday January 24, 2013 @08:57PM (#5113489)
We used the Ubiquiti wireless access points at my last job. Aside from being awesome for the price, the management software was a cinch to install on Ubuntu and seemed quite cool (what little I saw of it). They really seem to know what they're doing.
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by joenathan on Thursday January 24, 2013 @08:41PM (#5113451)
That isn't a router, that is only a wireless access point, big difference!
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by sigil on Thursday January 24, 2013 @08:59PM (#5113494)
Oh it routes just fine. Add a cheap switch if you need ethernet ports.
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by ajross on Thursday January 24, 2013 @11:41PM (#5114002)
How exactly is that not a router? It takes packets and decides which of several interfaces to transfer them out on. That's the very definition of a "router". It even does such exotic stuff as dynamic NAT, firewalling, and DHCP provisioning.
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by darkarmani on Friday January 25, 2013 @09:44AM (#5115585)
Actually that is the definition of a switch. Routing happens at layer 3 between networks domains.

I'm sure this is going to turn into a semantics battle with the layers blurring, but traditionally all routing happens at the IP address level.

Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by ajross on Friday January 25, 2013 @11:47AM (#5116312)
It is indeed a semantic battle. But as for semantics: sorry, that's just wrong. A switch connects the same network transparently. A device doesn't need to know that there is a switch in place to find, say, 8.8.8.8. It just ARPs for the destination address and sends the packet. If you are connected to a wifi router, you must send a packet destined for 8.8.8.8 to the router, because it is your gateway.
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by darkarmani on Friday January 25, 2013 @12:16PM (#5116484)
I think we agree, but looking back my sentences are ambiguous. I slashed a lot of content out and lost the transitions. I meant that is the definition of a switch (not a router) and that a router does the following things, not that a switch is a router.
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by joenathan on Friday January 25, 2013 @12:56AM (#5114219)
Routers will traditionally have more than a 180MHz CPU to deal with all the duties a router must contend with, they also have more than one Ethernet port, you know for WAN and for Wired LAN. This will only work as a Router if every device on your network is wireless, either that or you have no internet.
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by zokier on Friday January 25, 2013 @02:41AM (#5114475)
If it supports VLAN/802.1q then single ethernet port is enough to do routing on wired networks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-armed_router

Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by sigil on Friday January 25, 2013 @11:12AM (#5116059)
Yup. OpenWRT supports 802.1q VLANs. So does the stock firmware from Ubiquiti, AirOS (which is just linux).

http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/networking/network.interfaces#vl...

Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by ajross on Friday January 25, 2013 @11:48AM (#5116319)
You're using a marketing definition for router, apparently meaning a (presumably expensive) rack-mounted piece of IT equipment. But traditionally "router" has been a technical term, and your wifi hardware absolutely meets the requirements.
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by gonzo on Thursday January 24, 2013 @11:56PM (#5114036)
Does it run a routing protocol?
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by ajross on Friday January 25, 2013 @11:51AM (#5116348)
Is NAT not a routing protocol? It certainly seems so to me -- you dynamically change your packet destinations, error behavior, and even their contents based on dynamic state detected from the network.

But yes, you mean OSPF et. al. Yes, you can certainly run those on a wifi router (they don't from the factory, so reflash with dd-wrt or whatever). Machines much less powerful were doing dynamic routing using these protocols 20 years ago.

Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by jauer on Friday January 25, 2013 @12:37AM (#5114161)
It runs static routes just fine ;-) You can bake in quagga using their SDK if you want OSPF etc.
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by dholowiski on Thursday January 24, 2013 @08:50PM (#5113476)
I totally agree. I have a couple of the Nanostation Loco's for a woreless link at work and they're excellent, and ridiculously cheap.
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by swalsh on Thursday January 24, 2013 @08:42PM (#5113455)
This is a really cool looking company, thanks for pointing it out!
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by Ecio78 on Friday January 25, 2013 @01:07AM (#5114253)
Have you tried Mikrotik Routerboard? I know they are cheap and wireless oriented too (but they use proprietary router sw) but I've never had the opportunity to try one. http://www.mikrotik.com/ http://routerboard.com/
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by keidian on Friday January 25, 2013 @01:51PM (#5116985)
I haven't personally used Mikrotik products, but I know a few people who have and they really like them. It's on my list of things to buy and try out when I have time & money
Re:Belkin Buys Linksys from Cisco by Cherian on Thursday January 24, 2013 @10:06PM (#5113718)
Does this support Tomato?