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Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by dangrossman on Monday January 21, 2013 @05:20PM (#5094086)
With full-power Intel Core chips rolling off the line today using <7W of power, we're almost at the point where you can have MacBook Pro computing power behind the glass of a tablet and still get 8+ hours of run time. Dock it to a hard keyboard with another battery to turn it into 12-16 hours. That's today, and it'll get better every year as the processors and batteries improve.

I think Microsoft is actually ahead of the curve here, and the tablets of the near-future will be more like the Surface Pro than the iPad. Your grandma can use hers to check e-mail and run pre-screened apps from an app store, while you can use yours to run Visual Studio or Photoshop. With full computing power in tablets, they could supplant not just Android/iOS but laptops, ultrabooks, netbooks and desktop towers.

Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by pekk on Monday January 21, 2013 @05:49PM (#5094226)
When this marvelous device with processing power, large battery and keyboard comes to the market in a serious way, I propose we call it a "laptop".
Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by MacsHeadroom on Monday January 21, 2013 @06:44PM (#5094485)
Have you not seen the surface in person? It makes a macbook look bulkier than the Governator. The surface pro is quite a powerful device with great battery life.

Even with the keyboard attached it weighs less than a macbook air.

Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by j-g-faustus on Monday January 21, 2013 @05:55PM (#5094250)
Why would grandma want to buy a powerful $1000 tablet when a $200 tablet can do everything she wants to do perfectly fine?

The main issue is that the vast majority simply don't need all that much computing power, it was the lack of alternatives to the PC form factor that kept CPU power, prices and Intel's profit margins inflated.

I don't doubt that there will be a market for powerful tablets. But it's a small market; the grandmas of this world won't be buying them any more than they used to buy powerful workstations.

Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by ghshephard on Monday January 21, 2013 @06:31PM (#5094420)
$200 today. I'm willing to wager that Grandma will get by just fine with a $100 tablet in three years.

Geeks tend to forget that a vast portion of the population just needs a web browser, a handful of popular games, chat, and email.

With everyone hopping on the Facebook train, it's not even clear that chat/email is really that required anymore.

Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by bad_user on Monday January 21, 2013 @06:05PM (#5094306)
> a $200 tablet can do everything she wants to do perfectly fine?

Show me one table at $200 that does everything a grandma would want.

> The main issue is that the vast majority simply don't need all that much computing power

That's just wild speculation that needs a reference, especially since the history of PC proves otherwise.

Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by j-g-faustus on Monday January 21, 2013 @06:59PM (#5094565)
There was a time when many people looked forward to a faster CPU, because it meant you could open Word documents more quickly.

That time is long gone. As a developer, laptops have been fast enough for my purposes since around 2000.

Coding Horror, 2010:

    CPUs? All stupid fast at any price, with more cores 
    and gigahertz than you'll ever need unless you're one 
    of those freaks who does nothing but raytracing and 
    video transcoding all day long.
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2010/09/revisiting-solid-st...

Excluding servers and scientific computing, the only groups I know of that still want more power are hardcore gamers and video editors. Even for these, the bottleneck is frequently somewhere else than the CPU.

I think my mother and sisters represent mainstream computing better than I do: The check mail, watch YouTube videos and look at pictures of the family. There's nothing there that requires more computing power than what tablets have today.

The Google Nexus 7 is $200. It has enough computing power for what most of my family uses computers for. It still has other limitations that may make it unsuitable as a wholesale PC replacement - say ports for plugging in a large monitor, options for printing, drivers for various USB devices - but those limitations do not primarily call for a faster CPU.

If you disagree, I'd be curious to know where you see a mass market for significantly more CPU power than what we expect from the natural evolution of ARM.

Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by onedev on Monday January 21, 2013 @06:29PM (#5094407)
Nexus 7? Or for a $100 more, an iPad Mini...
Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by mitchty on Monday January 21, 2013 @07:31PM (#5094693)
Yep, basically we've hit that point where computers are the appliances people always wanted them to be.

Intel is going to have a hard time keeping high profit margins on lower cost chips. If any company can handle it though they should be able to.

Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by tr4656 on Monday January 21, 2013 @07:31PM (#5094692)
Nexus 7 isn't enough for a grandma?
Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by xradionut on Monday January 21, 2013 @05:31PM (#5094131)
Except that Microsoft is failing on their OS marketing and can't rely on corporate adaptation of Windows 8. The RT version of Surface is a sales fail. Much of their new software push is cloud based, which wouldn't necessary require a full version of Windows. Heck, they even lease Linux VMs on Azure, just confusing the whole message. Why run Windows when every thing except for corporate servers can be done on Android or Linux?
Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by thirsteh on Monday January 21, 2013 @05:38PM (#5094177)
> Why run Windows when every thing except for corporate servers can be done on Android or Linux?

So.. everything?

Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by unimpressive on Monday January 21, 2013 @05:47PM (#5094218)
I think he meant something more like "office server".
Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by makomk on Monday January 21, 2013 @07:12PM (#5094620)
That 7W isn't the maximum power consumption, it's the typical power consumption. Maximum is a less impressive 13W - and that's not counting the power used by the chipset, since this isn't a SoC.
Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by justincormack on Monday January 21, 2013 @07:30PM (#5094689)
No sorry. A very few Intel chips are coming off at 7W (really more). If they all were it would matter but just getting a few there does not help. I can't get a 7W macbook air...
Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by jxdxbx on Monday January 21, 2013 @08:57PM (#5095054)
By the time this happens, ARM chips will be as powerful as Cores are today.
Re:Intel’s Profit Falls 27% as PC Sales Drop by dangrossman on Monday January 21, 2013 @09:00PM (#5095074)
When I said almost, I meant a few months. The new Intel chips are already available now, they just haven't made their way into retail products yet.