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Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by kevinalexbrown on Monday January 14, 2013 @09:28PM (#5058210)
Without delving into the specifics of Scientology, I am reminded of a grellas quotation: "The most valuable asset of a lawyer is his reputation."

This applies to some journalistic endeavors as well. In some cases, I seek out the thoughts of those whose facts are unreliable, because their opinions are interesting or novel. But just as often, I seek out long-form, descriptive pieces to learn what reliable people believe is true. I cannot validate every aspect of the outside world, so I trust others to do this. When they are frequently right, like Nate Silver, say, I trust them more. When they lend their brand to more bizarre groups, I trust them less, not because the sponsored link itself changes the truth of the rest of the articles, but because it signals a lack of judgment that might have a common source with many other important and difficult decisions a magazine or newspaper must make.

For instance, when I read the Economist, I feel rather confident in their facts. They have a particular fiscally conservative slant, but in general they have proven to be realistic and relevant. They might not espouse particularly novel solutions, but they lay a solid framework for further thought. As it is, The Atlantic is reasonably trusted. That's almost surely the reason Scientology would like to place a sponsored story there, in addition to, or in lieu of, more popular outlets.

In the coming transformation of journalism, institutions like The Atlantic, or newer upstarts like Svbtle, will have to consider sponsored posts and similar "brand-lending." When they do, they'll have to decide whether they want to be a trusted brand, or an interesting one.

Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by cs702 on Monday January 14, 2013 @09:57PM (#5058310)
Judging by this sponsored story, it seems that the people running The Atlantic have already decided to turn this august publication into an "interesting" brand. It's a shame.

What doesn't make sense to me is that The Atlantic supposedly became profitable a couple of years ago -- see http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/13/business/media/13atlantic.... -- which, if true, means they didn't actually need to do this!

Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by bobbles on Monday January 14, 2013 @10:50PM (#5058517)
I like The Atlantic but they also got themselves banned from reddit for spamming their stories. (after people were already raving about the site regardless)
Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by erickhill on Monday January 14, 2013 @11:28PM (#5058625)
As with almost all publications, especially those with a deep print legacy, there is an old-biz back-slapper expectation that whatever you did last year that you copied makes you a genius. And you need to meet and beat at X% quarter over quarter. You'll have about a 6-month sliding window of wiggle room before you start notice the raised eyebrows of surprise when people see you in your cube.

After a few gimmicks run their course (e.g. using teams and friends of teams from The Atlantic to "digg" stories on HN for you to uptick visits while pages per visit plummet) in about 6 months the entire sales and/or product teams perform brutal "reshuffles".

For those in the vicious swirl, it is common practice to have a nicely fleshed out LinkedIn account at one's immediate disposal.

The sad irony is that it is the print medium and its advertising legacy (much like TV) brings in much larger sums of revenue overall. But the overhead costs overtake it dramatically. These days it feels very much like vinyl: better quality, but the law of diminishing returns is in full swing.

Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by lazugod on Monday January 14, 2013 @11:10PM (#5058578)
> The Atlantic supposedly became profitable couple of years ago

Things change fast.

Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by robotresearcher on Tuesday January 15, 2013 @12:01AM (#5058735)
Things change quickly.

[This message from the Adverb Defence League]

Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by cead_ite on Tuesday January 15, 2013 @08:20AM (#5059912)
“Fast” has been used as an adverb since at least Old English…

http://i.imgur.com/GuFFX.png

Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by robotresearcher on Tuesday January 15, 2013 @09:10AM (#5060126)
Things have changed, gradually.
Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by Tloewald on Tuesday January 15, 2013 @08:07AM (#5059870)
Wasn't their resurgence in large part due to Andrew Sullivan who then went to The Beast to their IMO mutual loss?
Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by snogglethorpe on Monday January 14, 2013 @09:55PM (#5058301)
Indeed ... and once lost, trust is very hard to regain.

I subscribed to the Economist through most of the '90s, but did not renew my subscription following a rather blithe editorial saying Bill Clinton should resign.

I still have a measure of respect for them on non-controversial topics—they're very good at explaining technical details in a simple way, for instance—but my faith in their judgment is gone.

Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by fludlight on Monday January 14, 2013 @11:15PM (#5058593)
I used to hold the Economist in similar high regard in the early 2000's. In 2004 they hired a new editor-in-chief and the quality of their articles began to suffer immediately. Their perceived thoughtfulness (as a function of independence and novelty, at least in my mind) took an abrupt turn for the worse right after the resignation of a single man. I can't remember the name of the editor, but I can remember lamenting his resignation to my friends.
Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by paganel on Tuesday January 15, 2013 @06:01AM (#5059597)
> for instance—but my faith in their judgment is gone.

That's the reason I almost never read their leaders. I also tried to forgive them for the financial derivatives-special issue they had around 2007 or so, just before the shit started hitting the fan, but they were at least trying to counter-balance that with regular (small) articles in the financial section about the housing boom.

Otherwise their world-news reporting I think it's the best out-there.

Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by dm8 on Monday January 14, 2013 @10:13PM (#5058374)
These type of ads are known as "advertorials". They are not new (read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advertorial). They are new in digital realm. In print magazines/newspapers, we are also used to the concept of "advertising supplement". We are in early days of "advertorials" in digital world and they should mature over the time. They are ought to become better.
Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by freejoe76 on Monday January 14, 2013 @11:40PM (#5058659)
Typically advertorials use a distinct font and possibly rules (as in borders, lines) to differentiate itself from straight editorial. Sure, we know the difference. And yes, it actually does feel different, and yes that matters.
Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by hayksaakian on Monday January 14, 2013 @11:54PM (#5058710)
Iirc, there are even official guides or laws about distinguishing an advertorial from content.

In TIME magazine, each page is clearly marked 'advertisement' at the top, and the fonts and styling are typically distinct from normal articles.

Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by illuminate on Monday January 14, 2013 @10:22PM (#5058413)
"they'll have to decide whether they want to be a trusted brand, or an interesting one."

With sponsored stories to improve the PR of totalitarian cults, they're going to end up neither.

Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by voltagex_ on Monday January 14, 2013 @10:28PM (#5058446)
Well, they just destroyed my trust in them. Granted, I'm just one person, but I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by malandrew on Monday January 14, 2013 @11:16PM (#5058596)
You most definitely are not. I'm disgusted as well by this. The concept of advertorials is reprehensible.
Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by voltagex_ on Tuesday January 15, 2013 @04:53AM (#5059477)
I'm not against advertorials but a "religious" ad in a supposed secular magazine? Yuck.
Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by bmmayer1 on Monday January 14, 2013 @10:00PM (#5058324)
The other problem with this sort of story is that the sponsors can validate themselves by referencing the major publication in which they have been "featured."
Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by wamatt on Monday January 14, 2013 @10:13PM (#5058376)
This does appear to be a disturbing trend.

I recall reading articles in the NYT derived from Quora answers.

While it may in the short-term produce increased traffic, it may become harder to maintain quality, as minimally vetted 3rd party contributions grow in number. It makes one wonder, what that effect that will have longterm?

It's also interesting that users on syndicated sites containing user generated content, will now be able to claim they have "written for the New York Times".

Re:The Atlantic posts sponsored Scientology story, moderates... by tomerv on Monday January 14, 2013 @10:59PM (#5058539)
http://xkcd.com/978/

Obligatory xkcd strip.