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Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by amluto on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:52PM (#50490420)
I have no idea whether this particular failure was Microsoft's fault, but I was in the air on September 14, 2004 when a substantial portion of the southwestern US's air traffic control went down:

https://spectrum.ieee.org/lost-radio-contact-leaves-pilots-o...

(I was near ORD at the time, flying toward the outage area. We diverted to ORD, and the pilot was very friendly about it.)

At the time I thought it was Microsoft's fault, as Windows 95 and 98 were susceptible to crashing when GetTickCount() overflowed, and this ATC crash was due to a 32-bit millisecond counter on a Windows machine overflowing, but in this particular instance the system was apparently not running on a version of Windows with this particular bug and was just an application error.

Aren't computers great? :)

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by Waterluvian on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:56PM (#50490480)
By chance were you flying an F-22 Raptor?
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by jtwaleson on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:28PM (#50490940)
This sounds like the beginning of a good story.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by Jtsummers on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:35PM (#50491042)
F-22s famously had major computer problems when crossing the international dateline.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by tgma on Friday November 13, 2026 @04:58PM (#50490507)
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by add-sub-mul-div on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:01PM (#50490558)
People need to stop letting their thinking be dominated by the previous day's headlines.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by Vegenoid on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:05PM (#50490609)
Hypothesizing that today’s big tech outage may be related to the big tech outage that was less than 24 hours ago is natural and sensible.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by LdBaringSwallow on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:12PM (#50490722)
For anyone tasked with resolving those problems.

For anyone else it's unproductive rubber necking

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by LPisGood on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:16PM (#50490781)
If I’m not tasked with solving the problems then is there anything I can do for that is productive? Discussing it at all seems like unproductive rubbernecking.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by JsonDemWitOster on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:17PM (#50490798)
Sir, this is an internet forum. Why are you here if you have problems to resolve?
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by seizethecheese on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:37PM (#50491066)
account created 6hrs ago, -8 karma
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by LdBaringSwallow on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:50PM (#50491254)
Totally agree; op is No True Scotsman.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by devmor on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:21PM (#50490852)
Why is anyone else expected to be productive in their speculation?
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by LdBaringSwallow on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:29PM (#50490957)
Because for every minute you don't spend on yourself means someone else has to pick up the slack; you are not an island.

Thermodynamics is like that.

And the rest of us would rather deal with our own lives than your preference to sit about reflecting

That's why I am all about robots doing the work; at least up to filling stores with textiles, food, building materials, and leaving everyone's "day job" to staying out the way of others who just want to experience consciousness and die.

Have worked among the people for 30ish years; started on farms, got degrees in EE/CE, worked in hardware/software; we are going in circles so drop the rhetorical pretense.

It's western vanity fueled by old allegory of religion about forever life and prosperity; my decades of experience studying applied physics and watching software engineers circumlocutions but now using fancy new JS lib! are little more than a scratched record jumping backwards to the previous groove

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by alistairSH on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:45PM (#50491193)
Huh? I'm not at work, nobody is picking up my slack. If you want to deal with your own life, fine, but this is an Internet forum - the only reason it exists is to chat about whatever.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by rsoto2 on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:43PM (#50491151)
Right because here on a hacker news thread we are resolving the problem and not rubber necking
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by Forgeties79 on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:46PM (#50491197)
And would you say what you are doing is productive?
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by LdBaringSwallow on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:12PM (#50490710)
Agreed. I would apply this further; stop letting 1970s and 1980s pop culture fads consume our attention; let go of Star Wars and Marvel etc etc; previous centuries headlines

Let go of software dev; as is a mechanical task from the 60s-70s

Cultural memory begets cultural conservatism

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by mdemare on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:26PM (#50490919)
But we can still keep Monty Python, right?
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by dearing on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:35PM (#50491045)
Ni!
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by verandaguy on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:16PM (#50490777)
God forbid the news cycle slow down enough for society to process events rather than being continuously forcefed the next thing in the outrage cycle.

This is why there's such an issue with holding power to account nowadays.

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by Vegenoid on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:28PM (#50490946)
I think you’ve misunderstood- this is an outage, not an outrage
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by verandaguy on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:38PM (#50491089)
Well, in any case it's the outr?age cycle.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by Vegenoid on Friday November 13, 2026 @06:17PM (#50491541)
All flights grounded seems plenty newsworthy to me.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by freediddy on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:04PM (#50490595)
To err is human.

To really fuck up, you need a computer.

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by EvanAnderson on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:08PM (#50490645)
Computers are machines used to amplify human error.
Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by NateEag on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:14PM (#50490740)
> A computer is a device that enables a person to make more mistakes faster than any previous invention, with the possible exception of the combination of handguns and tequila.

-- some clever person whose name I do not know

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by randysalami on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:33PM (#50491016)
I wrote about this four days ago:

"Realistically you want fewer, higher-quality engineers who are educated in these tools and treat them with respect and caution. These tools are dangerous and you can’t play around. All it takes is one mistake and the blast radius is way, way larger. One mistake can do so much damage it undos all value of an entire year. Before downloading a malicious dependency was limited to deterministic behavior and could be scanned for. Now, you run a MCP server locally, it can prompt inject (in many different ways), and now your super powerful AI buddy is hacking you in ways a deterministic piece of malware could never. You could cripple entire companies through negligent use." And "And now we are controlling models that can be hacked in so many different ways and literally blow up companies. It used to be accountability the software wouldn’t break. Now it’s accountability that in creating the software we don’t ruin the business."

Not saying this was caused by malicious actors or negligent AI agent usage nor am I saying was the previous Microsoft outage either the above references but it doesn't look great. If our technology is really so brittle, we might be looking at a return to way slower world to put it simply. Maybe no remote work because it gets hacked too easy!

Re:FAA Issues National Ground Stop by emschwartz on Friday November 13, 2026 @05:42PM (#50491144)
Amazing quote.