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Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by vander_elst on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:41PM (#50472082)
Can anyone understand the logic behind the names? Argon, hydrogen, carbon, what is the mental model one should use to understand where they fit, or what comes before/after?

Haiku, sonnet, opus.. is ok

terra, Luna, Sol... is also ok..

but this?

Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by krisroadruck on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:47PM (#50472175)
My guess, by atomic weight. Hydrogen = "sonnet". Carbon = "opus". Argon = "Fable" only argon 4 just happens to be kinda shit? But also it's google so who the hell knows. They could be just going alphabetical argon, then carbon, then hydrogen as release order follows the alphabet. That'd be kinda dumb but so is their access/subscription strategy so it'd be on brand.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by DefineOutside on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:55PM (#50472312)
I thought they were going by alphabetical order like intel does for GPUs

A = argon for initial release B was skipped because you can't name a product boron C = carbon D = ??????

They might be going for atomic weight, but the average person couldn't say whether argon or carbon was heavier.

Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by InvisibleUp on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:03PM (#50473367)
"Argon" had me thinking they would go with a noble gas theme, with Helium as the light one and Xeon as the heavyweight.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by forgotpwd16 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:56PM (#50472330)
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Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by willy_k on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:49PM (#50473162)
Carbon can be more performant while being a smaller model.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by forgotpwd16 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:54PM (#50472291)
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Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by vander_elst on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:14PM (#50473504)
I like the theory, curious how this will evolve though
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by anentropic on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:04PM (#50472466)
Also... Argon and Carbon are the same price, but Carbon is better I guess?

And "Hydrogen surpasses Argon on the Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index at its default high thinking level"

Given it's twice the price of 3.8 Flash I hope they would find room for another cheaper tier, but the Hydrogen name suggests not.

I'm glad Google are coming out with some decent models but it's a slightly confusing line up.

Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by motoboi on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:07PM (#50472517)
The higher the atomic mass, the higher the intelligence.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by GaggiX on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:18PM (#50472698)
It's not, Gemini 4 Carbon is better than Gemini 4 Argon.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by mda on Thursday November 12, 2026 @02:31PM (#50472892)
Carbon > Argon > Hydrogen not that hard?
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by resolutefunctor on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:00PM (#50473328)
They are all terribly named, but Gemini models definitely take the cake right now.
Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by aoeusnth1 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:08PM (#50473420)
They started out alphabetical for their pro releases: argon, barium (never released), carbon

Then they needed a flash model so they picked the lightest element.

Re:Gemini 4 Hydrogen by vander_elst on Thursday November 12, 2026 @04:00PM (#50474213)
They dropped the ball pretty quickly