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Re:Anthropic IPO by arw0n on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:05PM (#50470535)
So we are at the point where RSI is happening, but the idea that RSI leads to exponentially fast growth and SI is based on a number of unproven factors, most importantly that intelligence is scalable significantly beyond human levels. We are also not sure of the limitations of LLMs, how it relates to our own intelligence, and how hard it will be to make the jump to other models.

But when it comes to Anthropic, I am almost certain that it does not make sense to argue based on the typical arguments on maximizing profits. Everything I know about the people working there suggests that they are not primarily motivated by money, but by their mission. I bet they would prefer a lower-strings attached private offering, but have no issue with diluting their own stock, if they think it will serve to move Anthropic further ahead on bringing about aligned AGI. Basically, the diluted money will just be missed donations to EA causes for the most part anyway.

Re:Anthropic IPO by disgruntledphd2 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:09PM (#50470612)
I think that this is a great article on all of this: https://substack.com/home/post/p-224216856

He distinguishes between weak recursion (using sotfware to build more software), and strong recursion (handing over model development to AI which does everything), and makes a pretty strong case for the fact that only weak recursion is happening.

This maps to my experience with AI models, they reduce the cost of experimentation massively, but they can't (currently) design experiments themselves.

Even then, training RL is very data hungry, and most profitable tasks don't have good data so even if we got superintelligence (whatever that means), it's entirely possible that progress would still be bottlenecked by lack of high quality training data.

Re:Anthropic IPO by kooi on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:41PM (#50471120)
Thats a great distinction.

The hope was that weak recursion could produce strong recursion by automating the iteration of ML pipelines.

Theres also the idea of LLMs producing synthetic data to contribute to new models. Perhaps that is not as effective as hoped.

Re:Anthropic IPO by SoftTalker on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:15PM (#50471648)
> the idea of LLMs producing synthetic data to contribute to new models

This never made sense to me. Seems analogus to inbreeding in biological organisms.

Re:Anthropic IPO by swerve3815 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:50PM (#50474073)
It works because artificial neural nets take a lot of examples of something to learn it (way more than natural neural nets). So at the simplest level it's just copying items in the training data enough that they become salient.

More complex synthetic data generates things that could be in the training data but aren't for some reason. For example, machine translation training corpuses often contain a lot of formal language (because formal documents are the ones that get translated), so you might generate a bunch of casual conversation to improve the translation model's ability to handle that.

Re:Anthropic IPO by orwin on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:39PM (#50472049)
> Theres also the idea of LLMs producing synthetic data to contribute to new models. Perhaps that is not as effective as hoped.

Wasn't model collapse/model decay a big issue since the beginning? i know that RL kinda mitigate the effect, but if this was close to not be an issue anymore, wouldn't we have a paper on that already? All that i've seen on the subject was about mitigation, never about solving the issue.

Sorry if my question is dumb, I need to do some research about the difference between image generator and text generator, i feel like my understanding of LLM is skewed by my usage and understanding of Z-turbo, but i only have that much time in my week.

Re:Anthropic IPO by Loquebantur on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:15PM (#50470702)
When you have AI models autonomously self-improve, you implicitly lose your understanding of how they work and accordingly your supposed control of them?

AI can be a "tool", but only so long as you understand how it works and what the implications of its use are. Being an enormously powerful tool implies, the consequences of not understanding and not knowing are proportionally enormous as well.

Currently, LLMs are used practically exclusively by "professionals" who, more or less, know what they're doing. The idea of applying them "everywhere" completely misses the gap in understanding and responsibility for the vast majority.

Re:Anthropic IPO by bakugo on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:18PM (#50470746)
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Re:Anthropic IPO by Loquebantur on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:25PM (#50470861)
The domains where they apply it, privately for instance, aren't of immediate import. Their fuck-ups stay local.

The consequences of "AI use" are manifold and very poorly understood. That doesn't make them less impactful, on the contrary.

Whether you look at "humanoid robots" or incorporeal LLMs, when they are more capable than yourself, you become their dependent counterpart, not their "master".

Re:Anthropic IPO by davidsainez on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:30PM (#50470937)
Source? AFAIU most of Anthropic's revenue comes from enterprise usage, who presumably have an incentive not to generate pure, unvalidated slop

https://www.tradingkey.com/analysis/stocks/us-stocks/2623001...

Re:Anthropic IPO by mcmcmc on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:27PM (#50470887)
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Re:Anthropic IPO by SoftTalker on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:08PM (#50471525)
Nice analogy. We know what the end result of people worshiping false gods is.
Re:Anthropic IPO by Loquebantur on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:08PM (#50471526)
Don't you have one already? What improvement would that artificial one be and to whom?

Anthropic desribes itself as a "public benefit corporation" in its IPO. The irony. Or is it sarcasm?

A god isn't your subordinate. You cannot "program" your wishes into it, like a genie/jinn. They (or their investors) want to make themselves into gods. Over you.

Re:Anthropic IPO by tim333 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:18PM (#50471682)
I've often heard skeptics say AI enthusiasts think they are building a god but I've never seen any evidence. Are there any quotes implying Anthropic think they are building a god?
Re:Anthropic IPO by 10111001 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:53PM (#50472274)
> I've often heard skeptics say AI enthusiasts think they are building a god but I've never seen any evidence. Are there any quotes implying Anthropic think they are building a god?

Not Anthropic specifically, but there's this thing that I recently read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/11/09/opinion/ai-anthropic-doom...:

> A.I. company leaders often talk about how their work might lead to human extinction soon. This is astonishing. Even if you wanted to destroy humanity, you wouldn’t say so. If, however, you wanted to save the human species, wouldn’t you stop developing this technology?

> There is an explanation for why some tech leaders, so seemingly worried about an extinction-level event, are plunging ahead with A.I. development: Mankind’s survival, while important to many of them, is less critical than building something they believe to be not only conscious but godlike. A substantial portion of the A.I. community, in celebrating this belief, is quick to support any action or statement that reinforces the idea that the technology is like a deity. They might call for regulation, but only in specific ways — perhaps by deploying more A.I. to control A.I. — that adore the technology’s powers. It is that adoration that is nonnegotiable.

It's by the guy who apparently invented VR and was apparently mentored by Marvin Minsky. So he likely has the kind of access that gives his opinions credibility.

Re:Anthropic IPO by tim333 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:08PM (#50473421)
Thanks, although that still sounds a bit like a skeptical viewpoint.
Re:Anthropic IPO by 10111001 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:50PM (#50474072)
> Thanks, although that still sounds a bit like a skeptical viewpoint.

I think it's unlikely that an AI enthusiasts would literally claim "they are building a god," but such an attitude (or something very similar) is implied by their statements and attitudes, e.g.

1. Talk/hope of building something that so exceeds human capability, it's beyond human comprehension and control.

2. Taking existential risks for humanity (by their own statements) to try to get there, against all reason.

3. etc.

Re:Anthropic IPO by tim333 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @04:03PM (#50474241)
I guess. Anthropic's about page is more "We aim to build frontier AI systems that are reliable, interpretable, and steerable".

I guess they think AI will become smarter than people but I'm not sure that's a god.

Re:Anthropic IPO by sillysaurusx on Thursday November 12, 2026 @03:14PM (#50473498)
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Re:Anthropic IPO by freecodeio on Thursday November 12, 2026 @04:17PM (#50474418)
what do you think an AI "that can wipe out all of humanity" is exactly? are you expecting by god we mean some old man with white beard?
Re:Anthropic IPO by ben_w on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:28PM (#50471880)
> When you have AI models autonomously self-improve, you implicitly lose your understanding of how they work and accordingly your supposed control of them?

This was always the case with ML, even absent RSI. Big bag of weights is a pain to figure out exactly why it can do whatever it is that it does, leading to all kinds of blind spots about how they go wrong.

> Currently, LLMs are used practically exclusively by "professionals" who, more or less, know what they're doing.

Even the people who made them don't really know what they're doing, hence https://www.felonybench.com

Re:Anthropic IPO by Forgeties79 on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:57PM (#50471363)
Are we really entertaining that 2010’s “it’s about the mission to make the world a better place, not the money” dross again? You can see this nonsense parodied in literally the first episode of Silicon Valley
Re:Anthropic IPO by jacquesm on Thursday November 12, 2026 @12:58PM (#50471384)
> Everything I know about the people working there suggests that they are not primarily motivated by money, but by their mission.

And what is that mission?

I'd almost prefer it if they were motivated by money, then at least we know what we're in for. All this 'mission' stuff seems to effectively amount to 'we're saving the planet, sorry you got in our way'.

Re:Anthropic IPO by Peaches4Rent on Thursday November 12, 2026 @01:03PM (#50471462)
Jokes on them, I've had RSI since 2017...

sniffles