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Re:Google SWE points 48 AI agents at NASA Lidar, finds unmap... by throwaway384034 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @08:27AM (#50453145)
There is no "final barrier", the goalpost will continue to change until you are not aware of what is going on anymore. This is already becoming true as the recently produced math research is not fully understood, CoT moves further away from looking like human reasoning and datasets become generated rather than collected from existing human data.
Re:Google SWE points 48 AI agents at NASA Lidar, finds unmap... by civvv on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @08:44AM (#50453342)
Certainly at that point it becomes a philosophical question, rather than an empirical one.

Can we even measure an intelligence greater than our own? And at that point -- what is the point exactly? Why make an intelligence that we don't even know is intelligent? If its output is indiscernible to the human mind, what good does it do us?

The only "barrier" I can see that is valuable and that might be measureable to humans is this underlying mechanic of being able to create new ideas/concepts from little to no existing human generated training data. Otherwise, and as I see it right now, these machines will not become sentient, or go rouge, or be able to cure all future disease or solve all of physics, becasue they are entirely reliant on human made trainingsets.

Historically, for humans, this can not be the case, otherwise we would see no progress. Someone has to have a thought for the first time. Perhaps the solution to this for AI agents is some inherent randomness, and massive amounts of brute force compute. Who knows?

Re:Google SWE points 48 AI agents at NASA Lidar, finds unmap... by mitxela on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @09:00AM (#50453529)
The point is the next epoch of evolution. Like humans made monkeys obsolete, LLMs will make humans and biological hardware obsolete. Maybe we will live in zoos, or maybe we will simply go extinct. Evolution places no special value on a particular species or hardware platform.
Re:Google SWE points 48 AI agents at NASA Lidar, finds unmap... by civvv on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @09:16AM (#50453702)
I think you have eaten too much of the LLM generated cake if you genuinely believe that LLM's are anywhere close to making humans and biological "hardware" obsolete. Sometimes we must ground ourselves and remember that we live in the real world and not Star Wars.

We can always just unplug the computer, you know. AI agents can do damage, they can be used in malicious ways and bring down/distrupt infrastructure, but the leap from today to the point where LLM's can prevent us from pulling the cord is unimagineable large, and likely infinite.

In modernity, the gap between the digital and material world is closing, especially from a sociological perspective, but we are still neurological systems spinning on a large rock. For 99% of our history we didn't have electricity. The likelyhood of returning to a post-electricty world, for example, is much greater than LLM's taking over the world and making us into zoo animals.

Re:Google SWE points 48 AI agents at NASA Lidar, finds unmap... by keybored on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:02AM (#50454964)
Or just drunk too much of the Bay Area municipal water.
Re:Google SWE points 48 AI agents at NASA Lidar, finds unmap... by desterothx on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @08:52AM (#50453430)
? CoT did not look like actual human reasoning from day one. It's just a context expansion mechanism, the purpose isn't actually to mimic human style reasoning, nor was it ever doing so. In the recent openAI article where they showed excerpts from the CoT, it looks like reasoning has moved even further from what i would call a human like flow of thought