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Re:Starlink Mini 2 by _djo_ on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @08:26AM (#50453136)
Which could be 30% of the local partner or subsidiary, which is the approach taken by all other multinationals operating in the country or in other countries with local ownership requirements. Amazon for instance is partnering with one of the local ISPs for Amazon Leo.

While there is much to criticise in South Africa's implementation of racial redress laws, at least some part of the Starlink issues in SA are Musk's insistence on turning it into a crusade because of his broader white-nationalist hatred of South Africa's black government.

Re:Starlink Mini 2 by hcurtiss on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @09:24AM (#50453802)
But that requires revenue sharing with a local subsidiary. The 30% HDG owner wants its cut.
Re:Starlink Mini 2 by mmsimanga on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @09:25AM (#50453825)
Musk did offer to give 5000 schools free Internet. Cynical me thinks that the connected parties who tend to profit from the local ownership laws wouldn't benefit from the schools getting free Internet.
Re:Starlink Mini 2 by vlan0 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @09:52AM (#50454174)
Even then I still think I'd rather see the money flow shared. The less funnels that go to a few people, the better for all of us.
Re:Starlink Mini 2 by _djo_ on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:17PM (#50456569)
Given Musk's tendency to overpromise and his weak adherence to certain past promises, why should that be the sole determinant? Especially if there are other concerns that remain unaddressed, including becoming overly-dependent on something that Musk appears to personally control.

For what it's worth I think telecommunications companies like Starlink should be given the option of making an equivalent equity investment rather than giving away an ownership stake, as is allowed in other sectors. And the overall policy is being reviewed with an eye to possibly making that an option which I see as a good thing: https://www.bee.co.za/post/ict-sector-bee-code-under-the-mic...

But all telecommunications companies should be able to operate on a level policy playing field. Musk right now is trying to use his privileged access to the White House to apply intense economic and political pressure on South Africa in order to receive special treatment for Starlink compared to its competitors. I'm certainly not a fan of that.

Re:Starlink Mini 2 by mmsimanga on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @02:53PM (#50457767)
> For what it's worth I think telecommunications companies like Starlink should be given the option of making an equivalent equity investment rather than giving away an ownership stake

I think this is what Musk wants but isn't getting.

The offer for free internet to the schools is an interesting one. Given the large size of South Africa fibre is never going to reach most places outside of major urban centres anytime soon. This poses an interesting considering for the rural child who stands to benefit from Starlink. My parents use Starlink and I don't care for Musk's politics. It is the best and only solution where they are located. Perhaps these rural kids in SA should be given Starlink too. No one is ever going to solve the politics in totality. There will always be a challenge.

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Re:Starlink Mini 2 by _djo_ on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:18PM (#50456595)
It's not. It's applying a standard affirmative action and local ownership policy to all telecoms companies.

As I said, there's much to be debated about the South African government's implementation of racial redress policies, but that the social and economic impacts of Apartheid still linger so sharply strongly implies that some level of redress policy remains necessary.

Re:Starlink Mini 2 by sib on Thursday November 12, 2026 @06:14AM (#50465627)
Affirmative action is, by definition, discrimination.
Re:Starlink Mini 2 by georgeecollins on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @09:57AM (#50454234)
As an American, this sucks. You can open and run a 100% foreign owned business in the USA. That’s great for consumers and the economy in general. China is the worst, I can’t sell a video game in China without a local partner or buy a Chinese company. They can sell any game here and buy any game company here. And they do. I know there are lots of exceptions to this, maybe the worst is cars.

People could complain, well you can do that because you’re the biggest market. We need to protect local businesses. But the USA can go protectionist too. We’re all going to end up paying the protectionist tax.

Re:Starlink Mini 2 by Matl on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @10:16AM (#50454440)
> As an American, this sucks. You can open and run a 100% foreign owned business in the USA. China is the worst

Look at TikTok, DJI etc. It's not that simple. Also the reason US companies are in China is because it is worth it for them, trust me.

You also seem to be forgetting the tech/software dominance the US has around the world.

But in principle I agree with you, this should of course include the US closing its bases outside of its own territory. Why? Because if you want to have bases on someone's territory so that you can protect your economic interests you have to offer something of value in return. If not, why should you have the right to stay?

Re:Starlink Mini 2 by clarionbell on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @10:39AM (#50454693)
How many US military bases are in South Africa or China?
Re:Starlink Mini 2 by Matl on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:49PM (#50456976)
China is the only real growth market for American companies anyomre, so the relationship with China is very, very valuable to American businesses.

As for SA, they're trying to kickstart their own industry as a relatively poor country, same as India. Guess what? The US was extremely protectionist when it was building its own industry.

Re:Starlink Mini 2 by artnanika on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:32AM (#50455315)
Most of what you wrote is blatantly false, though in your case if you're a US citizen then it can be chalked up to unintentional ignorance (since you did not need to go through the regulatory hurdles a non-US citizen would) . You can open and run a 100% foreign owned business in China just like in the US, and you can buy a Chinese company just as easily as you can buy a US company (going through the same regulatory hurdles and mechanisms in both countries). Both countries heavily scrutinize foreign ownership of sensitive industries, but are more lax for nonsensitive ones.

The example about the cars is also outright false, the Tesla Shanghai Gigafactory for example is 100% foreign owned.

The only true statement you made was that you can't sell video games in China without a local publisher. Even so, I doubt the U.S. allowing foreign citizens to sell games without a local partner is the sole basis for your "We need to protect local businesses with protectionism!" argument.

Re:Starlink Mini 2 by insane_dreamer on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @12:03PM (#50455699)
> You can open and run a 100% foreign owned business in China just like in the US

not quite. it depends on the industry. there are certain industries -- telecom being one of them -- where a JV is required

also, your company is not a regular company, but in a special category and subject to other restrictions that a Chinese-owned or JV isn't subject to

it's easiest in manufacturing especially if you have a company that is basically manufacturing for export

it used to be very difficult, but it's gotten easier in recent years; but it's very different than having a business in the US that is foreign owned

Re:Starlink Mini 2 by sarjann on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @11:42AM (#50455436)
I think especially after Ukraine I definitely wouldn’t want a large amount of critical infrastructure relying on a network you have no control over. The argument might be that it’s better to have something rather than nothing.