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Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by Manuel_D on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:51PM (#50448893)
Sure, if someone is used to going 70 on the highway then they drive to Oregon where speed limits max out at 55 then yeah they'll probably speed if they drive carelessly. But that's ultimately still the responsibility of the driver to obey the speed limit.

This is not remotely close to entrapment.

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Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by amiga386 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:39PM (#50449503)
I wasn't claiming anything was entrapment, I was taking up your claim that "Nothing about road design forces people to drive fast."

Indeed, nothing forces, but things really strongly suggest through the use of psychology. The mafioso didn't force you to be a drug mule when he said he'd murder your family if you didn't. The website didn't force you to let them sell your data when they put in giant bold letters "AGREE AND ENTER" and in 5 point grey on grey "decline" -- after the website's owners ran multiple rounds A/B testing to see what was most effective at getting people to click the option that gives them free money. They didn't force you, it's all your choice buddy. You feel tricked or conned? Like you were carefully goaded into making a choice against your best interest? Well, you shouldha read the small print, sucker!

Anyway, I don't think these things are "entrapment" (meaning the police coerce you into breaking a law you wouldn't otherwise have broken), but they are sketchy, especially if the organisation in charge of enforcement also gets a cut of the fines.

Your example reminds me very much of Brookside, Alabama, where the tiny town's police department did everything in its power to bilk passing motorists for its own private enrichment. https://reason.com/2026/10/01/judge-preliminarily-blesses-1-...

> Brookside "recognizes" that its "policy of aggressive policing," which "prioritized generating revenue for the department's expansion," "likely interfered with the Town's obligation to administer justice equally under law," "undermined the public's trust in the justice system," and "raised serious constitutional concerns under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment."

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Re:Toyota brand Scion is back and it's going to sell a kei t... by Manuel_D on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:07PM (#50449646)
> Indeed, nothing forces, but road designs really strongly suggest through the use of psychology. The mafioso didn't force you to be a drug mule when he said he'd murder your family if you didn't.

Uh, yeah it is? This is literally textbook coercion through threat of murder. I'm not sure how this is relevant to people who don't pay attention to speed limits and speed, though.

Also, the example in your linked article isn't even related to speed limits:

> According to the lawsuit, Coleman "was following three or four car lengths behind" her boyfriend's car. But Sellers claimed she was "tailgating." He also claimed to smell marijuana, which supposedly justified ordering Coleman out of her car and handcuffing her.

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