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Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by pizlonator on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:30PM (#50448745)
I received 9 reports of Fil-C issues from Anthropic

All of them were real bugs. None of them were false positives.

The quality of the reports was exceptional. (My baseline is doing security defense on a browser engine, so my baseline has a large sample count and is probably representative of what experts are capable of.)

The quality of the proposed fixes was alright. I took some of the fixes verbatim. I used most of the fixes as significant inspiration for doing it my way.

The quality of the test cases was exceptional.

Maybe I’m special somehow! But I just want to call out the enormous chasm between what I saw of anthropic’s capability and what TFA says

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by sashank_1509 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:58PM (#50448939)
Linux maintainer is extremely unhappy with the high false positive rate from Mythos vuln: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NnV_cWeoo5Q&pp=0gcJCVgCo7VqN5t...

I think someone who likes AI thinks it’s good, someone who doesn’t, doesn’t think it’s anything impressive, and concretely nothing of any significance has happened to the world, certainly nothing like the crowdstrike shutdown so it isn’t world ending like how the labs claim it is.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by pizlonator on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:26PM (#50449093)
It’s true that I’m an AI adopter. My psychosis is pretty advanced. I’m running four clankers in parallel right now.

The 9 bugs I got were clear security bugs under the Fil-C definition of memory safety. One reason why my experience could be an outlier is the effort I’ve gone to defining what the security properties of Fil-C are, to the point that there’s a crystal clear falsifiable boundary. So the bugs aren’t a matter of opinion or judgement. That helps clankers and it helps me when screening the bugs.

> concretely nothing of any significance has happened

This is a good point, but “cyber apocalypse dooming is an exaggeration” is a different statement than “bugs found by Anthropic aren’t real”. I agree that the dooming is an exaggeration. I don’t agree that Anthropic’s bugs suck.

Two reasons why bugs-found-by AI-are-really-scary and nothing-is-happening can be true at the same time:

1. Anthropic is sharing the bugs found by their most capable model with defenders, not attackers. Defenders are working overtime fixing those bugs before the embargo runs out.

2. The attackers that have access to Anthropic-class capability are using their bugs surgically. They aren’t using them so widely that folks would notice. That strategy is business as usual for advanced attackers

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by tialaramex on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:49PM (#50449228)
I obviously don't know if this applies for the Fil-C bugs but what we saw in Rust is that there's plenty of "technically that's not OK" which is very distant from "this will actually cause real world problems" https://forge-blog.github.io/posts/rust-std-memory-safety/

For example it's definitely not OK that you can impl Pattern in a way that causes non-UTF8 data in a string with safe code. But you probably didn't let random attackers impl Pattern, on a nightly Rust where that's even possible, and so that's not going to cause problems in our real world - even though it's wrong and must be fixed.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by pizlonator on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:15PM (#50449371)
Most of the bugs were things that fall into the “won’t cause real world problems” category.

But they were all things that unambiguously violated the Fil-C promise

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by sheepscreek on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:19PM (#50449706)
I am speculating on a limb here: maybe the Mythos zero days developed into exploits had a few of the "usually won't cause real world problems" happenstances.

But a model with all the world's knowledge would know how to weave them together and successfully exploit.

I like to think that tomorrow's models are going to be more capable, what we are experiencing now is a fire drill to prepare for that.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by d0liver on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:13PM (#50449677)
> One reason why my experience could be an outlier is the effort I’ve gone to defining what the security properties of Fil-C are, to the point that there’s a crystal clear falsifiable boundary.

Building software boils down to defining things correctly. So, it sounds like you did most of the work here. Imagine that you took your definition and moved it into a formal specification (programming language) and then ran that to verify the security properties of your system. What's different?

Or, imagine that you took your original code as your specification language and then iterated on your understanding of it until it was correct. What's different?

Attention highlights and resolves bugs, so that's the baseline. In order for AI to get value, it has to be some kind of multiplier on your attention, but the reality is generally the opposite.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by zulban on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:35PM (#50449140)
> Linux maintainer

I wonder what it's like maintaining a project where you regularly get competent contributions. No wonder they are less impressed with AI - they are the 0.1% of maintainers who had something better.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by NewsaHackO on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:49PM (#50449229)
I see it the other way; Linux is a huge project, but being a solo maintainer for a mid-sized project like Fil-C is a different level than one of dozens of maintainers for a large project like Linux. Sort of like being a solo founder for a semi-successful startup is different than being a rank engineer at Google.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by derefr on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:39PM (#50449809)
> and concretely nothing of any significance has happened to the world

I would hypothesize that all the long-held "easily discovered if you look in the right place, but never reported and so never fixed" 0days in operating systems that criminal gangs and militaries have been relying on (to do cyberattacks with, unlock devices for forensic data recovery with, etc.), are increasingly being exposed and cleaned up, much faster than new such exploits can be discovered; and that this may have given an edge to whichever side of these conflicts don't rely so heavily on hacking the other to achieve their goals.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by wanderlust123 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @05:11AM (#50451649)
What do you mean nothing of significance has happened to the world?
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by voxl on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:18PM (#50449054)
You're a marketing plant is what you are
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by kmacdough on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:40PM (#50449171)
I'm not surprised we see a big difference between extremely mature systems like curl and Linux vs Fil C.

But I'm incredibly concerned by this statement:

>My baseline is doing security defense on a browser engine, so my baseline has a large sample count and is probably representative of what experts are capable of.

This is such a profoundly arrogant and ignorant claim. I have rarely, if ever, seen such sweeping claims from seasoned experts in any field. "Representative" is one of the most notoriously elusive objectives across all of science. Perhaps you have a point, but it's hard to take you serious with nonsense like that.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by dang on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @12:00AM (#50449910)
You broke the site guidelines with this post. Can you please make your substantive points without swipes and avoid crossing into personal attack?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by dahinds on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @12:04AM (#50449927)
Your response seems a bit overwrought, to call their claim nonsense solely because they used the word "representative" to describe their experience (and they did only say "probably representative"). Their not making a scientific claim, they're reporting an observation about 9 bug reports.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by lifeisloving on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:47PM (#50449208)
I have these things running 24/7 working on apks. They are extermely underwhelming, I spend most mornings annoyed looking at hallucinated/incomplete/insignificant findings from overnight.

Im about ready to stop using them overnight in this autonomous fashion. Its a great "intelligent" fuzzer but pretty mediocre when its steering the ship by itself.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by cheesecompiler on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:51PM (#50449567)
can you elaborate?
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by lifeisloving on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @06:18PM (#50460359)
Im not sure why I got downvoted here. Anybody that does this everyday knows you cannot just find exploits with llms without holding their hand and steering them in the right direction.

I cannot say what exactly I work on, but with llms its typical static&dynamic analysis on apks. And they really wouldn't have any sucess without my verbose skills, direction and tooling. They cannot operate by themselves and surface anything significant, atleast not in my experience.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by atleastoptimal on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:56PM (#50449271)
AI is a legitimate step change in every domain of knowledge work, cybersecurity included of course.

OP's post adopts a deliberately skeptical angle, it is a blog post for a company that advertises the ability to spot and patch vulnerabilities. They have an intrinsic motivation to minimize the believed effectiveness of wholesale SOTA-model cyber superiority.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by pron on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:58PM (#50449283)
A simple reason could be the age of the codebase. New code contains more serious bugs, and young projects are made up of almost all new code. Mature projects are mostly old code, and many serious issues have already been found and fixed.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by pizlonator on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:18PM (#50449391)
It’s not a reason for the wide chasm though.

If you told me that some significant number of Ant findings were duds, then I could reconcile that with what I saw first hand.

But TFA is making a more extreme statement

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by intended on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:25PM (#50449433)
Likely difference between individual experience and group experience.

Useful to figure out if there are other cases like yours, so then commonalities can be inferred.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by pizlonator on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:34PM (#50449485)
Totally

I’m just sharing my data point

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by aprilthird2021 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:47PM (#50449550)
The reason is that's just how AI is. It has a very jagged edge of experience. In some ways it's bizarrely wrong and in some ways it seems like a mystical crystal ball.
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by viraptor on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:51AM (#50450413)
One thing I should've expected in those reports but didn't is that some maintainers end up nitpicking the reports instead of just doing the best to address the issues. When discussing the LLM code reviews, one author was arguing the security reports are really bad - it turned out that I completely disagree on the judgement they made. Instead of accepting that something can be improved, they argued how unlikely something is, how the project doesn't make this kind of guarantee, how that's an API user error... instead of saying:

- Yeah, we could check the parameter here. Currently we don't return any result so let's add a success/failure response rather than silently failing.

- This is a highly unlikely situation, but let's harden it anyway in case things change and it bites us in the future.

I don't know how many end up in that situation, but it was a whole category of people claiming the LLM reviews are bad, that I haven't really considered before.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by grim_io on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:56AM (#50451124)
Yeah, I don't think we can ignore the small issues anymore.

No matter how unlikely the issues seem to us, an LLM will happily chain dozens of them and do complex timing attacks to eventually gain access.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by pron on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @09:08AM (#50453608)
The post is making a statistical statement, not a universal one, and the examples it gives are of established codebases. If most reviewed code is older and well-used, I think we're seeing what we would expect to see (assuming the models almost always find something to report).
Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by 20k on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:10PM (#50449663)
I suspect the gap comes from whether or not you're being used for marketing/IPO bubble driving. I love Fil-C, and its still a small enough project that it doesn't make front page news if a problem with it is discovered. So I think the gap comes in in that they have no incentive to massively drum up the number of security vulnerabilities that they find, by publishing a huge number of false positives that then get quietly retracted

By contrast, when <tool> announces they've found XXXX vulnerabilities in Linux, it makes the news literally everywhere. Even if 0% of them turn out to be real, it doesn't matter - they've already gotten what they want out of it which is the round of coverage about how incredible <tool> is and its the end of the world

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by dwohnitmok on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:42PM (#50449818)
That's interesting. While the curl maintainer seems to have been underwhelmed with Mythos 5 in particular, it looks like he also backs up your account of high-quality AI reports (although unclear if these come from Glasswing or elsewhere) at this point.

> The slop is gone

> A sizeable portion of users seem to still believe we still suffer from a lot of made up and hallucinated reports by these AIs. We really don’t.

> Almost all the stupidity and lies we saw in the vulnerability reports made by AIs in the past have ceased. Since spring 2026 the slop reports are practically gone. Our current challenge is much harder: high volume, high quality.

https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2026/10/22/ignore-the-slop/

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by soon_to_be_sb on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:55AM (#50451122)
>I received 9 reports of Fil-C issues from Anthropic

Probably curated

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by gwd on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @06:44AM (#50452266)
All of the bugs Claude (Fable or Opus) have noticed as I've been working in Xen have been real bugs; but many of the potential security issues were really obscure combinations of things.

For instance, it noticed that during CPU offlining, a page was freed and then something specific was written to it afterwards. Technically a use-after-free; but to exploit it you'd have to somehow know that the CPU was going to be offlined (not something that normally happens), then try to jigger the page to be allocated by someone such that the later write (also not controlled by you) actually did something you wanted.

Or, if you had a machine with over 5TiB of RAM, but for some reason your control plane was only assigned a single physical CPU, and then an attacker organized memory on boot a certain way, then it could crash the system.

The ones above ended up on the "not a security issue" side of the line, but a handful of ones ended up in the "is a security issue" side. These are all kind of excruciating, because on the one hand they seem so unlikely to even be able to trigger that they're hardly worth thinking about; but on the other hand who knows, maybe there are situations where it could happen.

NB these are just things Claude pointed out to me as I was working with the code, not things Anthropic reported.

Re:After 7 Months, Glasswing Overwelms Maintainers with Unde... by a2dam on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @03:18PM (#50458090)
It may be a rare combination, but I think the future they're seeing sees this exploited in 100% of cases where it exists. There's not going to be a filtering function on effort if you have an AI attacker, which has perfect knowledge and is perfectly persistent.