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Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by freeplay on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:56PM (#50444581)
This is it. Most people (including myself occasionally) are having trouble letting go of the old world. It's not about writing code that's easy for you, the engineer, to maintain anymore. Our context window is small. Things need to be easy to read and well organized for us to work with. LLMs will write the code in a way that's efficient for them. If it's easy for an agent to jump in and make a change without doing a ton of investigation first, it's maintainable code.

Abstractions are for humans.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by marmarama on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @02:43PM (#50445291)
> Abstractions are for humans.

I disagree with this. The mistake rate goes up rapidly as context grows. Current frontier models get noticeably more stupid at context sizes of only 100k tokens or so, and inference becomes slower as the context grows, leading to more rework and more token usage.

I foresee a trend of having _smaller_ code units, more modularity, more abstraction, because agent work on smaller units leads to smaller contexts and a better chance of the agent getting the change right first time. Or a higher likelihood of a lower skill, lower cost model getting the change right.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by freeplay on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:07PM (#50446962)
I agree completely. That doesn't require abstractions though. All that can be done with native code. In fact, the abstractions often grow the context window if you need to debug any mildly complex issue.
Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by mnicky on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:23PM (#50447143)
> Current frontier models get noticeably more stupid at context sizes of only 100k tokens or so

It may be domain/task/prompting dependent etc, but my experience is different. I haven't subjectively felt any degradation up to like 500-600k tokens with current Opus/Fable models. After which I usually do a manual hand-off to a fresh session anyway. I don't use context compaction though.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by marmarama on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @05:31AM (#50451800)
I think it probably is domain related. My main work for agents at the moment is on improving a crufty human-written JIT recompiler, and the number of mistakes and oversights even the very best models make is substantial. I would say maybe 50% of turns are correct semantically and don't regress performance, and that's after writing a lot of documentation, a lot of tests, and splitting up the codebase into smaller modules with well defined interfaces to reduce context size for any one change.

The first attempts I made to one shot improvements to the recompiler before doing the refactoring and test framework were basically all wrong and introduced lots of bugs, a per turn success rate in the single digit percentages. Each of the non-functional changes I made improved the performance substantially as you might expect. The real eye opener though was the refactoring into smaller units - that bumped up the success rate much more than I was expecting.

Don't get me wrong, the success rate of human changes is abysmal on these tasks, which is why the recompiler was in such a sorry state already. There are edge cases and gotchas everywhere. Opus, Astra and Gemini 4 all reason for hours on individual changes, and lesser models can churn for much longer and still fail.

Interestingly the code itself isn't really all that big - about 45000 lines of C all told.

Re:GR00T 2: Scaling robot foundation models for generalizati... by rstuart4133 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @01:11AM (#50450214)
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