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Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by program_whiz on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:58AM (#50440469)
Some of that might be true, but I can assure you, people _really do_ want to prevent harm to their children. Most of the people I know who are using this stuff do it completely voluntarily, not because of how they will be seen, but because they genuinely want to increase safety for their child.

Maybe its not perfect, but most parents would give everything they have if it meant saving their child's life or health, so spending a few hundred at the chance is a no-brainer.

Seems like "people only wear seatbelts so that they won't get tickets" type of reasoning, which is true for some, but many (myself included) like the additional safety and wear it regardless of law enforcement. I do actually care about my safety and health, and will take reasonable measures for a chance to preserve it; and that same feeling extends to my children.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by afthonos on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:28AM (#50440892)
This is a classic short-term/long-term trade-off. Being informed at all times is gratifying in the moment. It is harmful for everyone, including the parent, long-term.

And seatbelts are one of the cases where it is good short-term and long-term, but you’re right, the same mechanic applies. No one wears a seatbelt because “over a lifetime. I have a lower chance of dying in a car crash“. We wear it because “I’m less likely to die today.“

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by pluralmonad on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:33AM (#50441817)
Strange, I wear the belt because I believe it may save me some day over my lifetime. I have very little concern for it happening this particular day. Or at least I used to. Its just SOP now.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by lambdaone on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:37AM (#50441017)
The problem is that protecting children overzealously in the short term can make them more vulnerable in the long term. By attempting to protect them from every concievable risk, real or imagined, you risk preventing them from developing the defences that they will need later in life.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by graemep on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:28PM (#50445856)
> Better road safety - that starts with _you_, car owners! -

Regulation and technical improvements can do a lot for road safety

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Killed_on_British_Roads_1...

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by itishappy on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:44AM (#50441108)
> Maybe its not perfect, but most parents would give everything they have if it meant saving their child's life or health, so spending a few hundred at the chance is a no-brainer.

Any price? What about a portion of your child's development and autonomy?

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by doright on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:51AM (#50442099)
> Some of that might be true, but I can assure you, people _really do_ want to prevent harm to their children.

They do, and they should. But due to the fact that this really is a legitimate concern in society, and always will be, it is also an infinitely renewable source of discontent that sways public opinion towards pursuing policies that don't actually help protect children. Nothing short of a total panopticon can prevent 100% of harm to children, if even that. Yet saying "we will have less visibility into the safety of children if we choose to do this instead" is seen in the current climate as one of the most distasteful things you can say. So people are afraid to speak up and find alternatives.

Anything short of absolute perfection in child safety is seen as a total disaster that merits the sacrifice of autonomy to prevent the next disaster just around the corner.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by graemep on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:58PM (#50444614)
People have become very fearful. Here in the UK people (especially people on social media!) express fears about letting their children have the same freedom they had as children because "its so dangerous now".

Crime rates are far lower, road accident fatalities and injuries are far lower, but people are a lot more afraid of both of them.

> Seems like "people only wear seatbelts so that they won't get tickets" type of reasoning, which is true for some, but many (myself included) like the additional safety and wear it regardless of law enforcement

I wore them and made by kids wear them even in a country where they were not required by law. Admittedly I had become accustomed to wearing them in a country where they were required.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by giantg2 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @02:28PM (#50445067)
That's not an adequate comparison. A ticket is simple. Child services (in the US) is very powerful and complex. I would easily choose to risk my life and a ticket over risking child endangerment or neglect charges and possibly even having them sent to a foster home.

In both cases occurance rates should be low.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by graemep on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:24PM (#50445807)
I agree, but i was replying to a comment that made the comparison.

My other point is that it is also happening in the UK where a lot of people do the same without the same fear of child services, so i think its a cultural change that is common to both countries.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by giantg2 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @02:25PM (#50445020)
"but I can assure you, people _really do_ want to prevent harm to their children."

To what point though? Overprotective upbringings could delay development or produce adults lacking development in critical areas.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by graemep on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:27PM (#50445838)
Absolutely.

I think the problem is that parental instincts are protective, and it takes a conscious effort to let go. Its easier if you understand enough maths to weigh up the risks rationally.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by giantg2 on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @09:44AM (#50454070)
I wonder if this varies by culture, gender, etc.