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Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by paganel on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:32AM (#50439418)
> none of these are prevented when you have an airtag in your pocket

It instills a Panopticum-like philosophy in said kids since their very early ages, meaning they become aware that they're being watched at every moment of their lives. In my opinion that does affect said kids' future look on life (once they will have become adults, that is).

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by jareklupinski on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:36AM (#50439459)
> It instills a Panopticum-like philosophy in said kids since their very early ages

Santa Claus has been around since before airtags; you dont need technology to make kids fearful of invisible retribution ("he sees you when youre sleeping, he knows when youre awake")

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by r_lee on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:06AM (#50439768)
that only works for very vey very young kids.

I dont get your point

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by germinalphrase on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:22AM (#50439934)
We’ve strip-mined every cultural superstition and monster for the entertainment industry, but those superstitions and monsters often existed - even in the minds of adults - to warn against certain behaviors, actions or locations.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by kelseyfrog on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:38AM (#50440152)
Santa Claus for the very young; an omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent God for everyone else.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by pantalaimon on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:24AM (#50440836)
Soon we'll all be watched over by machines of loving grace.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by amenhotep on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:29AM (#50441760)
It's not "everyone" else though is it. Especially not in the recent decades where this surveillance has become a real thing.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by kelseyfrog on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:52AM (#50442121)
What does that have to do with the subject of discussion: instilling a Panopticum[sic]-like philosophy in said kids since their very early ages?
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by tavavex on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:49AM (#50442079)
It's true that the idea of 'someone is watching you' is very old and a well-tested method of social control. The religious angle may be why so many people are receptive to mass surveillance today. But not everyone is religious, and those that are rarely live with a true, 24/7 feeling of dread and fear that someone is actually watching. The fear of consequences is very distant, and there is often forgiveness for small infractions. That fear becomes very different when you can put a face and a name to the people watching you, and you know they can affect your life in very real and immediate ways. This is the preconditioning that starts with childhood surveillance.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by kelseyfrog on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @02:49PM (#50445382)
I've spoken to many of the deconverted who where genuinely afraid of committing real and mental sins as a direct condition of omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence. Have you not met someone like this?
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by thin_carapace on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @05:14PM (#50447051)
are u saying that people shouldn't be afraid of the consequences of behaving improperly ?
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by kelseyfrog on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:10PM (#50447630)
I'm saying, in response to "The fear of consequences is very distant, and there is often forgiveness for small infractions," that people do have a fear of misbehaving and a belief in an omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent god is a critical component of a 'feeling that someone is always watching' resulting in that fear and subsequent avoidance.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by thin_carapace on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:00PM (#50448046)
certainly proponents of surveillance capitalism would argue that the brain must percieve a social slight in the same way it percieves a slight against god. i can imagine some of these types whispering morpheus quotes to themselves in bed. "the need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by god ..."
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by kelseyfrog on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @07:36PM (#50448334)
I was under the impression that proponents of surveillance capitalism wish to protect their private property. Must it be more complicated than that?
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by graemep on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @02:22PM (#50444975)
If that was so people who were more religious would be more accepting of surveillance and I do not think that is the case.

God is also perfectly good, outside time, unlikely to question your actions, and completely forgiving. Rather different from being watched by human beings.

I do not think belief divine omniscience by itself had much impact on people's behaviour.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by kelseyfrog on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @06:29PM (#50447788)
Why would a religious person, holding a sincere belief their actions cannot be hidden, want more surveillance? It would be redundant, no? Maybe they can chime in and resolve it. Best to hear from a source directly.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by graemep on Wednesday November 11, 2026 @08:50AM (#50453408)
I am a religious person.

There is no religious reason for more surveillance - which its with the point I made.

The reasons for wanting more surveillance are entirely secular: things such as catching criminals, protecting children etc. They are about giving power to the authorities, and how desirable more surveillance is depends on how much you fear what it is supposed to stop, and on how much you trust to authorities to use the powers you give them ethically and effectively.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by watwut on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:26AM (#50442603)
And only on christmas day. They dont think long term, no getting christmas gifts is not a treat in november - it is infinetely far for a small kid.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by iamnothere on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @08:09AM (#50439802)
Most kids have an important developmental moment where they realize Santa isn’t real
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by giardini on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:56PM (#50444580)
Yeah, but then there's religion with an all-viewing God or gods. And years of these ideas repeated never really goes away. After all, what if there really IS a God, or Vishnu, or Allah, and a Hell, etc.! The very idea is enough to drive a kid to Pascal's wager.
Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by iamnothere on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @02:17PM (#50444889)
There’s many people who don’t believe in either Santa or god. Only about half of younger people believe in hell in the US.

Unfortunately, even those who escape such beliefs now have to face the reality of surveillance not by gods, but by men, many of whom don’t have your best interest in mind.

Re:What Constant Surveillance Is Doing to Children by graemep on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @01:45PM (#50444429)
Yes, it normalises surveillance.