News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by EPWN3D on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:38PM (#50434545)
That's not completely true; even if the tiny blob of cells is a person, bodily autonomy matters because there is no other situation where we force one person to use their body to keep another person alive.

Like the state cannot hook you up to a blood transfusion machine (or whatever), plug you into some guy who needs your blood, and then keep you there. And you cannot be prosecuted for murder for denying a life-saving blood transfusion to some guy who needs your blood. That's somewhat analogous to pregnancy.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by nonethewiser on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:05PM (#50435185)
>That's not completely true; even if the tiny blob of cells is a person, bodily autonomy matters because there is no other situation where we force one person to use their body to keep another person alive.

Yeah but if it's a person then it's not about bodily autonomy because the abortion denies the baby bodily autonomy.

At that point it's about what we owe other people.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by lotsofpulp on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:54PM (#50435858)
>At that point it's about what we owe other people.

Who is “we” in this statement?

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Forgeties79 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @12:00AM (#50436254)
A Kantian framework does not graft onto “women must bring pregnancies to term because they owe it to them,” doubly so when it’s not conclusively a person. You keep asking people to respect that opinion yet leave zero room anywhere for people who think it isn’t a person.

I also don’t appreciate that you are arguing on behalf of a group you are clearly in agreement with yet your phrasing avoids committing to the stance. You present yourself like you’re just giving them due consideration but you only give that side your consideration and the benefit of the doubt.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by MrDrMcCoy on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:19AM (#50442485)
By what framework does one grant or deny personhood to any genetically distinct, living human? Should age and location even apply?
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Forgeties79 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @11:53AM (#50442961)
Dude I am not debating “is it a person?” with you. It’s clearly not currently settled that it’s a life, it’s literally why there’s a debate at all, and we are not going to solve it or change our stances on it. You believe it is, I do not, and that’s the gulf that makes this whole thing such a 3rd rail issue.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by EPWN3D on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:58AM (#50442195)
The dependent being cannot have autonomy by definition. The woman in the case of an abortion is denying the embryo autonomy, she's refusing to support the dependency.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by roodypoo2 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @12:07AM (#50436296)
Vast majority of abortions are for convenience because women have been brainwashed into self-destructive tendencies, not life-saving.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by chmod775 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @09:24AM (#50440835)
> bodily autonomy matters because there is no other situation where we force one person to use their body to keep another person alive

The state will however happily violate bodily autonomy to achieve much lesser goals, like putting needles in you for blood tests or to literally kill you.

Keeping another person alive is arguably one of the most worthy goals there is.

> That's somewhat analogous to pregnancy.

The comparison goes in the right direction, but it's not quite there. Your examples are all about inaction, while terminating pregnancy generally requires action.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by EPWN3D on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @10:56AM (#50442167)
> The state will however happily violate bodily autonomy to achieve much lesser goals, like putting needles in you for blood tests or to literally kill you.

Be that as it may, it does not and cannot force you to donate your organs or blood, even as a condition of incarceration.

> The comparison goes in the right direction, but it's not quite there. Your examples are all about inaction, while terminating pregnancy generally requires action.

Not quite true. If you were hooked up to a blood transfusion machine, you'd have to unhook yourself. Maybe a better scenario would be a dialysis machine that connected one human to another human's kidney.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by chmod775 on Tuesday November 10, 2026 @03:39PM (#50445995)
> Not quite true. If you were hooked up to a blood transfusion machine, you'd have to unhook yourself.

Umm. Do I need to point it out?