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Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by biggestriverman on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:30PM (#50433884)
They have not run into a wall. The frontier labs distill their strongest models into their cheaper, faster models.

Having these highly rated models reflects (potentially) the frontier of what they are capable of producing. Essentially its and advertisement and shows directionally where the smaller faster model's capabilities are headed.

Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by mrandish on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:31PM (#50434483)
> They have not run into a wall.

The "wall" is in increasing intelligence per cost. No one is saying the absolute intelligence won't continue increasing, it's that the rate of intelligence increase per cost is falling from super-linear growth rates to linear at the same time the companies are backing out the investor-funded subsidies they were using to buy adoption and user growth numbers. You're correct that there is a 'trickle down' effect to lower tier models but OAI/Ant are clearly using this to segment customers by willingness to pay and their IPOs depend on extracting the maximum amount possible from each segment.

That's why the prices of frontier models have been skyrocketing, though they are using every trick imaginable to mask this being clear and obvious. They take with price increases, token deflation, shifting plan levels and limits but muddy things more by giving back some (but always eventually less) with resets, subs, etc.

Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by nl on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:31PM (#50434936)
> No one is saying the absolute intelligence won't continue increasing,

They absolutely have said that.

> That's why the prices of frontier models have been skyrocketing,

They haven't.

"The cost of achieving a given level of AI performance has fallen about 47% per quarter since 2023, or 13× per year."

"The cost of a given level of performance often falls fastest right after that level is first achieved, that is, when it is state of the art (SOTA). We see this pattern on three of our five main benchmarks of AI capability. Averaging across all five, cost falls 66% per quarter (75× per year) for performance that has just debuted as SOTA."

https://epoch.ai/publications/the-plunging-price-of-thought#...

On a per-token basis Fable 5.2 is cheaper than 5.1:

5.2: $8 per million input tokens and $40 per million output tokens.

5.1: $10 per million input tokens and $50 per million output tokens.

Compared to older (and much less capable) frontier models it is also cheaper. For example GPT-4 was $30 per million input tokens and $60 per million output tokens

https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/models/gpt-4

Be very careful comparing the Artificial Analysis "cost per task" scores. Fable 5.2 is expensive there because it is doing tasks the other models fail at.

Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by biggestriverman on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:22PM (#50435308)
Last I checked Fable's prices have fallen not risen. Opus 5.5 is as intelligent as Fable 5. I think Anthropic is actually trying to make as good of a model as possible and the advances that their expensive models are getting distilled into the cheaper faster models quickly.
Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by ford on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:19PM (#50435288)
I think a lot of people don't realize that the labs really care about AGI. They care about token spend, efficiency, cost, etc. only as far as it gets them customers that will fund AGI