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Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by oliwary on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:29PM (#50432449)
Cool! It looks like Fable 5.2 (especially low and medium) also sit on the pareto frontier between time per task and intelligence: https://artificialanalysis.ai/models?speed=output-speed-over...

I am always interested in this comparison since it shows how quickly you can go back and forth with a model, capturing both tokens/task and tokens/second. The new models seem to be meaningfully better here.

Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by jgalt212 on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:33PM (#50432514)
> it shows how quickly you can go back and forth with a model

Another member of the pro-REPL / anti-agentic tribe. There are dozens of us!

Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by jrflo on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:39PM (#50432619)
Why does AA choose ~$3.1 per task to be the breaking point for "most attractive quadrant" highlight? Surely the most attractive section is just being close to the entire frontier?
Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by StevenWaterman on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:41PM (#50432654)
It's a quarter of the graph (hence quadrant)
Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by jrflo on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:02PM (#50432891)
The choice of X-axis maximum and Y-axis maximum dictates the cutoff point of the quadrant. With a maximum of $80 per task, the quadrant is $3.1 and lower. If some new model gets released and costs more than $80 per task, the "most attractive" cutoff moves up from $3.1 since they have to move the X-axis max. It's completely arbitrary.
Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by StevenWaterman on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:14PM (#50433022)
It's not saying that being inside that quadrant is a hard cut-off it's just illustrating the direction of the pareto frontier
Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by jrflo on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:12PM (#50434324)
It is suggesting a hard cutoff since it says "most" attractive, a superlative, instead of "more" attractive. And it is not pareto optimal, because if the models get really good and are scoring 10x more for 10x cheaper that green region will no longer be pareto optimal.
Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by StevenWaterman on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:23PM (#50434427)
Of the 4 quadrants it is the most attractive
Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by jrflo on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:41PM (#50435019)
I suppose you’re not wrong lol
Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by eli on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:32PM (#50433231)
Note that the graph is misleading for open models since it's only measuring their official providers and that's rarely the fastest.

The official Moonshot provider for Kimi K3.1 Pro is currently dead last for speed on OpenRouter. You could run it more than 5x faster for the same cost somewhere else.

Re:November 2026 Claude Fable 5.2 Scores 65 on Artificial An... by btown on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:32PM (#50434942)
I'm really interested that Fable 5.2 Low seems to be a universal improvement in quality and time over Opus 5.5 Medium and High.

Certainly cost is a factor, but if your goal is quality and low latency at any token cost, it's now a fascinating option.