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Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by burnaftercommen on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:24PM (#50430405)
>What do you expect when most men have been priced out of a happy life?

Most PEOPLE are being priced out of a happy life. I'm not aware of any "man tax" men are having to pay when they go out to eat, or when buying groceries, or renting/paying their mortgage.

Your anger is misplaced. You we're raised to believe that a mans job was to earn a high enough income to provide for their family, and now that shit is expensive, that perception society forced unto you makes you feel like a "failure". You're not a failure, you're just someone living in a capitalist society.

>What do you expect when most men are villainized in the stories that dominate narratives in modern media?

Most men are not being made up as villains. This reads like your algorithm/news feed is trying to enrage you.

Are there idiots out there who are attributing the wrongdoings of certain men, and/or the issues of men as a whole to individuals? Yes, but that some idiots voice their opinions on social media is nothing new, nor is it unique to men to be unfairly judged on the internet. Every demographic has bullshit thrown their way these days.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by scott01 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:35PM (#50430618)
look at the sibling comment
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by 220hertz on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:35PM (#50430619)
> You're not a failure, you're just someone living in a capitalist society.

I think I need that on a T-shirt.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Huarache1 on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:31PM (#50431615)
Men and their ideals, are portrayed as inherently evil in a good chunk of western media. It's pretty obvious to anyone looking at the West from the outside.

It's also a reason why the West is failing, but certainly not the only one. Social Welfare states like Europe are burning, since it was never sustainable.

America is fighting among itself, because there is no Asabiyyah (social cohesion), and the wealth inequality (wealth pump) is growing massively.

Compare that with China or Singapore, where social harmony is perhaps the most important thing in their society, food is subsidized, education as a high priority, their laws are punitive, infrastructure is extremely new, etc.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by icantevenhold on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:44PM (#50431807)
That’s a crazy comment for me.

I don’t think you’re open for a discussion but I’ll try; just judging from experience talking to other people who hold similar entrenched beliefs, I might be very wrong.

> Social Welfare states like Europe are burning

I live there and wasn’t aware that it’s burning - Europe also isnt a singular entity.

> the West is failing

I wasn’t aware of that either! Seems to me that western countries (I assume you mean US and EU with that?) still hold most of the power worldwide?

> Men and their ideals, are portrayed as inherently evil in a good chunk of western media

The opposite is also true. I think it’s just because most heroes and villains in western media are men - hell most characters are men.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Huarache1 on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:51PM (#50431937)
Men are interested in things, while women are interested in people. That's probably why most characters are men overall. Same with men being more likely to be Autistic.

That being said, it's quite noticeable that people in the entertainment sector, who are probably marginalized, are directing some anger against men.

Ghostbusters 2016, likely started this, and I do wonder if it was to appease the women and other groups after the the #Metoo movement, where marginalized people were given a voice, to pretend that Hollywood was like them (they aren't, look at their governmental funding before #Metoo).

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by icantevenhold on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:08PM (#50432169)
> Men are interested in things, while women are interested in people.

Seems like a generalisation. I’m a man and I’m more interested in people than in things for example.

> That's probably why most characters are men overall.

How does this follow what you wrote before; I don’t see any connection tbh

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Huarache1 on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:13PM (#50432242)
If men are into things, then they likely are into abstractions, concepts, ideas, etc. Stories are one of these.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Huarache1 on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:58PM (#50432032)
France is burning because they're defaulting and can't pay for their social welfare benefits, and Germany's economy isn't doing so well. That's a good chunk of Europe's economy in a nutshell.

China is rising, and so are other (previously and currently) Third World nations. It's a matter of when they take power, not if. India and Indonesia seem to be heavy hitters, for now and probably for the near future.

I stand by my statement of Western entertainment demeaning men, probably out of anger, or as something of an alibi for Hollywood after the #Metoo movement. Occupy Wallstreet is also notable for this.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by icantevenhold on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:14PM (#50432256)
Germany has the third largest GDP worldwide so I don’t think it’s “not doing so well” considering how tiny it is.

China/Asia, South America and Africa have the most space, people and natural resources so it just makes sense that they would be more successful in the long run though.

>I stand by my statement

That is fair. I stand by mine that this doesn’t convince me. Of course men are the villains when they hold the most power. You can’t really be an effective or convincing villain if you’re powerless.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Huarache1 on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:37PM (#50432581)
Germany made its money through high end production (which is handled by Asia) and its Mittelstand (which like most of the West, is starting to slow down massively).

Germany is still in a good position for Europe, but it can't compete as well as it once did compared to Asia or the US. Even then, the US is having issues with China.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Huarache1 on Monday November 09, 2026 @05:01PM (#50432881)
"Of course men are the villains when they hold the most power."

I agree with the statement, but not the context.

Looking at Velma, Dragon Age: Veilguard, Ghostbusters 2016, Star Wars sequels, She-Hulk, and much more, a good chunk of such Western media feels like they have some disdain for a large portion of fans who watch them.

Like a Superiority complex formed out of deeprooted insecurities of their feelings towards men.

You could argue men have reacted to this in the same way, especially in Instagram and the like.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by seattle_spring on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:38PM (#50432599)
> I live there and wasn’t aware that it’s burning - Europe also isnt a singular entity.

As a resident of Portland OR, I'm all too familiar with people pointing to protests confined to a few downtown city blocks as evidence of the entire city being burned to the ground.

Seems like France/Europe is currently suffering from that same sort of propaganda. "Europe is so far gone because thr Gucci store in Paris got looted and some cop cars burned."

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Huarache1 on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:46PM (#50432705)
Historically, French protests have always been rowdy and widespread. I don't think Portland's protests were even close to what France has seen.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by neglesaks on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:58PM (#50432841)
French protests are known for their ferocity in European context, yes. But what was dominant in the recent weeks were not protests, it was the rioting. Obviously.

People protesting poor school conditions don't burn down their schools or random public buildings.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by neglesaks on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:55PM (#50432811)
Your description seems to ignore that a historic town hall that survived two world wars was invaded and torched, and burnt to the ground, and that entire neighbourhoods -public spaces- in major cities have been turned into warzones from weeks of riots involving hundreds of thousands of people, causing extensive property damage, widespread feeling of insecurity and environmental damage.

Your takeaway from this was apparently 'looted luxury store and burned cop cars'.

Is it your source of news that's to blame for that misapprehension, or your personal stance on things?

edit: typo

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by neglesaks on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:04PM (#50432112)
The sex ration of completed suicides in the USSR as a whole between 1984 to 1990 was 3,9 men to 1 women.

That is, near exactly the same as in the 'capitalist' world then, and now.

(In the Slavic-predominant part of the USSR, that is Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, it was an even worse 4,6-to-1. Somewhat lower in Central Asia at ~2,7-to-1).