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Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by gib444 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:12PM (#50430184)
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Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by afavour on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:28PM (#50430475)
> Women...so naturally vulnerable ?! In 2026?

All else aside for a second... yes? Women are both physically and economically (primarily when they are stay at home moms) vulnerable. No, that doesn't mean I'm saying that no men are vulnerable at all but averaged out to a population it's clear.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by gib444 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:41PM (#50430751)
Economically disadvantaged often through choice is not "vulnerable". It's "economically disadvantaged", at best.

And I don't make a habit of pointing out women's smaller stature to call them vulnerable?? Wtf

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by afavour on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:48PM (#50430869)
> Economically disadvantaged often through choice is not "vulnerable". It's "economically disadvantaged", at best.

It leaves them economically vulnerable. When 100% of the income is going into one person's bank account that means they have the opportunity for economic control over their partner. Their partner does not have savings of their own to speak of. No, healthy relationships do not work that way. But a lot of relationships do.

Also, it's often not "through choice". A lot of the time childcare is more expensive than one parent leaving their job. A lot of families can't afford an alternative.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Huarache1 on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:19PM (#50431386)
Force a Prenup ratio equal to the assets they had at the exact point prior to marriage, as default. Make shared custody also the default, unless one side is found guilty of abuse.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by afavour on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:28PM (#50431561)
> Force a Prenup ratio equal to the assets they had at the exact point prior to marriage

Which would completely ignore the economic imbalance I was talking about, which occurs during the marriage.

> It's 2026, and women are starting to outearn men in some cities. Why make men the sole breadwinners of the family?

Like I said, making a parent a stay at home parent is simply economic reality for many, while the kids are young and childcare is expensive. There’s no reason why that has to be the woman but the data shows that the vast majority of the time it is.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Huarache1 on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:45PM (#50431825)
There probably isn't much of an economic imbalance if the prenup ratio was based on when both were single.

Even if one party earns less, I don't see how "vulnerable" that would make them if it was prior to meeting the other person.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by 9rx on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:13PM (#50432247)
> making a parent a stay at home parent is simply economic reality for many

The topic was couples/cohabitation/marriage, not the economics of child rearing. The concerns you raise would be equally applicable where the parents have nothing to do with each other. There is truth in what you are saying, but it is an entirely different topic. How to deal with the child is a negotiation that takes place around the child, not around a romantic relationship (or lack thereof).

In the romantic relationship, there is no realistic situation where one party ends up with all the money unless one is being 'stupid'. But any of us can be stupid. I could willing give you all my money now and there would be no good legal recourse if I decide it was a bad idea later. The only reason we have these ideas is due to the historical idea that women need protection because they are unable to make decisions for themselves.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by programjames on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:45PM (#50432701)
How are you economically disadvantaged by having the choice to not get a job?
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by drdaeman on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:53PM (#50430947)
So the actual criteria is vulnerability, not sex or gender…
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by afavour on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:58PM (#50431036)
As indicated by the use of "such as" in the original quote, yes
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by walthamstow on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:30PM (#50430514)
The quote continues on to victims of economic and physical abuse, who are almost always women. The context is clear and doesn't seem to me to cast women as delicate little things or men as invulnerable.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by derf_ on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:31PM (#50430548)
Pro-tip (for both unmarried men and women): You can sign a pre-nup even if you never have any nuptials. It turns out that people can choose to enter into a contract with each other at any time. There are plenty of reasons why people in a relationship may choose not to get legally married, but that does not mean you have to leave yourself at the mercy of the defaults in the law, which may or may not make sense for you.

This is especially important if there are children involved in your situation.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Obscurity4340 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:40PM (#50430729)
Are you saying there's effectively a pre-commonlaw agreement mechanism available to curtail fallout from even just a drfault commonlaw arrangement?
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by gib444 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:48PM (#50430879)
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Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by SubmarineClub on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:41PM (#50431774)
People on HN are comically unaware of how frequently pre-nups get tossed out in court.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by wahern on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:34PM (#50430602)
This was why common-law marriage was a thing in the United States. Then it was abolished in most states because it was considered archaic. Seems the UK is going back in the other direction.