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Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by echelon on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:04AM (#50425786)
That's a temporary state. Eventually humans won't die. Consciousness will be uploaded, memories preserved.

Maybe the future will reverse the light cone and revisit everyone and everything that has ever lived. Maybe we're in their simulation.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by gatlin on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:15AM (#50425957)
Consciousness will be uploaded to where, some digital prison that also has resource requirements the same as a biological entity? Since you are leaping into the fire with such confidence I will exhort you with a counter proposal to seek Christ.
Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by bananaflag on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:18AM (#50426003)
And then in 10^33 years you'll fight viciously for the last pockets of negentropy.
Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by pfdietz on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:24AM (#50426077)
That sounds sufficiently different from me that it won't be me.

If I'm going to identify with some future entity that's very different from me it might as well be something newly arisen, not something having a copy of some of my memories somewhere.

I guess those archived memories are the ultimate time capsule.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by dontwannahearit on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:40AM (#50426286)
Oh god, dictators that live forever. Wealth that can be amassed and hoarded across a billion natural lifespans. Orwells boot stamping on a human face for eternity made real.

Death is a feature not a bug.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by pfdietz on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:41AM (#50426304)
Probably not a realistic view of the future, since those dictators won't need citizens.
Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by 10111001 on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:18AM (#50426828)
> Probably not a realistic view of the future, since those dictators won't need citizens.

Oh they'll still need them, but only to stomp on their human faces.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by tyjen on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:54AM (#50427271)
What's the point of being a dictator if you cannot actively demonstrate your abuse of power on and in the presence of other people?
Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by Alive-in-2025 on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:29PM (#50429500)
Up to now all dictators, oligarchs, billionaires died or more preferably were actively destroyed.
Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by echelon on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:24PM (#50432392)
> Death is a feature not a bug.

You have fun with that.

> dictators that live forever

The world is more free than it has ever been, and it's getting better.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by onion2k on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:35AM (#50427044)
Consciousness will be uploaded, memories preserved.

Preserved maybe, but never viewed by anyone. They might as well be gone.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by somenameforme on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:44AM (#50427137)
This doesn't even make any sense. 'Uploading your consciousness' means you are given two tools - a brain scanner and a gun with one bullet. You're still dead. And the chatbot created in your likeness will also inevitably find itself getting wiped as well.

Life, and consciousness, is absurd enough (yet certainly real) that I'm fully open to the possibility of further absurdities happening once we die, but I think it's an absolute certainty that we're all going to die. And accepting this is quite important because it rather dramatically influences one's life philosophy.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by unrented7977 on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:05AM (#50427429)
Meat isn't magical. There's nothing supernatural about a brain. It's all clockwork machinery all the way down.

A digital copy of a mind is no less alive than your children. They are, after all, nothing more than lossy copies of yourself.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by jacquesm on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:59AM (#50428261)
Then make a brain without access to other brains or things made by other brains.
Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by grahamburger on Monday November 09, 2026 @12:25PM (#50428582)
So why not just have a kid or two? A chatbot that sounds kind of like you did is no more 'you' than your kids are.
Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by Sohcahtoa82 on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:00PM (#50429047)
But a digital copy of you isn't you.

I find I'm actually happier accepting a little nihilism in my life, knowing that at some point, I will die, and within a couple generations of my death, I will be completely forgotten.

This isn't depressing, it's freeing. It means there are no long term expectations of me, so I should I just spend as much time as I can doing the things I enjoy.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by unrented7977 on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:16PM (#50429302)
Distinction without a difference. My consciousness, my sense of self continues uninterrupted. There's no meaningful difference to me. You might care, but your opinion has zero weight on my own opinion of who and what I am.

One fudamentally cannot know the mind of another. Your opinion is based on incomplete observation and assumptions. Your insistence that a digital copy isn't me holds as much weight as the assertion that you aren't real because you exist only as text on my screen.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by Sohcahtoa82 on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:00PM (#50431073)
> My consciousness, my sense of self continues uninterrupted.

That's the part I directly dispute.

I don't dispute that a computer could become conscious, but I'm not convinced you could transfer your consciousness to a machine. If a brain scan copied your brain, that would not be the same consciousness that you have now. It would be like having a twin, and twins don't share a consciousness.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by somenameforme on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:17PM (#50434828)
Exactly this. Personally I would dispute a computer becoming conscious, but it's inconsequential to the argument. Even if it does become conscious, that consciousnesses is not you. You haven't transferred anything. You still die, and then have a chatbot in your likeness.

For a technical issue I'd also add that this entire thing becoming increasingly absurd given advances in understanding of human biology. Discoveries like the gut-brain axis emphasize that the concept of brains in a shell is mostly naive. Your body and your brain are completely interdependent to create 'you'.

But again I think the objections around consciousness or possibility are completely inconsequential (if not also strong arguments in their own right). Even if we accept every single point and desired outcome, you still die.

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by nancyminusone on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:44PM (#50432685)
I suppose parent comment is addressing the version of you that doesn't wake up inside a computer. If a biological vetsion of you exists, then that version won't be the same instance as the one in the machine. There will be two copies.

Machine-you would no doubt be thrilled. How does bio-you cope with not being made immortal? If your answer is "It doesn't matter, throw the original in the trash" is that murder or suicide?

Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by pfdietz on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:40PM (#50433974)
That doesn't mean that uploading is possible. The algorithm implemented in neurons likely depends heavily on specifics of neurons. One could implement something non-biological that would be similar, but similar isn't identical, and identical is what you'd need for uploading to look like "me going into silicon" and not "something that's kind of like what I was is now in silicon".
Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by nancyminusone on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:47AM (#50428078)
But we can already do that now. Your brain can export information that my brain can read. This comment is one way how. If you can read my thoughts directly it might be more detailed but not much different.
Re:Burying the Evidence: nine out of every 10 time capsules ... by jacquesm on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:50AM (#50428128)