Yeah, people suddenly got selective amnesia and act like "slop" never existed before 3 years ago.

Hell, look at the video games from the 1980s. Download the scans of any early gaming magazine or a MAME ROM archive. At least 50% of the games were derivative slop. Crappy movies and books were around for a 100 years too.

No, people are rationally responding to a massive change in the economics of producing the slop.

>act like "slop" never existed before 3 years ago.

Volume matters lol..

True, but at some point it doesn't. Ignoring the 99.99% of titles on Steam I don't recognize from reviews, known developers, or word of mouth isn't meaningfully harder than ignoring 99%.

This is worse for new entrants than either established developers or consumers, who will have to work harder to get their work recognized amidst the rising tide of slop.

> Ignoring the 99.99% of titles

Point is that you can't ignore well marketed slop. It will show up everywhere. Volume of slop matters because that drags down the median quality so that it becomes feasible to market slop and get returns on it.

> Volume matters lol..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983

>writing about 5G, memories of Water and other garbage.

Have you actually read some of these garbage? If not, how do you decide it was garbage?

Yes I did.

I did not only read 5G book about how bad it is, i also read the 5G spec book.

I read books about pendulum (different types of them too, like one with stones you can drop), tunnels and pendulum, energizing water, homeopathy (how you make it, the theory behind it).

Why?

What did the 5G book talked about and why was it bad?

The most basic one was that the radio waves gives you cancer, it kills animals (bees, birds, ...), controls weather and is very bad for people with electrosmog sensibility (btw. if you could show in a controled environment, that you can feel electrosmog, you were able to get a mmillion dollar, no one claimed it...)

(I read 2 books about it, one before Covid and co out of curiosity and i skimmed a second book after Covid and co.

After Covid, 5g was responsible for Covid, and is used to control humans.

So you are saying that it was bad because of what arguments it made?

What and how they argued

The whole content of it.

What was the gist of their argument?

What's the end game? Once we have a billion books published online each day, how can a legit writer with something real to say break through? Same with indie games. I'm in a game jam community and we're struggling with this. The sudden influx of entries (50% increase this year), mostly of low effort copied games, puts an unfair burden on everyone who needs to judge games - a fundamental part of how game jams work.

Critics, recommendations from existing known authors, publishers being clear about what is and is not ai generated.

This. Ironically, an increase in slop production could end up making it harder for new non-AI authors to get recognized, due to default assumptions that unknown quantities are slop.

>> mostly of low effort copied games

All AI games are heavily bloated. Try cloning Factorio or Prison Architect. AI can make something that looks similar to such games, but the back end falls apart.

I have friends who keep showing me their new "games". I just see some version of Doom, but one that needs multiple GB of memory to accomplish what was commonplace in the 90s with a millionth as much headroom.

If you want to judge more entries without increasing the work for the judges, you need to scale the number of judges with the number of entrants, i.e. use peer review. Of course if most entries are low-effort, you'll get a lot of low-effort reviews. But if you have an inner circle of trusted judges, you can have them look at the winners according to peer review and, if they don't meet the bar, throw out reviewers who rated them highly. Repeat until you've found a subset of reviewers who are taking the task seriously.

> a legit writer with something real to say

What does that mean? What defines a "legit writer" and who determines when they're saying "something real"?

you increase the requirements.

Steam wants 100$ from you, tax documents etc.

After that, you make the initial review very cheap for you: YOu need to create a promovideo from ingame.

If this is still too much, you make a pre sampling phase. Everyone already developed a game gets more karma points and is easier found, everyone new has to earn their standing.

Yes, I think people are a bit quick to forget how much pre-LLM slop there was. In all sorts of media. Asset flips on steam, Chuck Tingle-level "romance", algorithmic spam on streaming services (think baby sleep rain relaxing lo-fi beats) etc.

Hey, I'll have you know that Chuck Tingle is self-aware satire-slop. It's on a different level than asset-flipping scam-slop.

The problem is scale. Human-produced garbage content come in at rate X, but LLM produced garbage can come in orders of magnitude faster because you can spawn off agents to produce garbage content multiplying the output. The only thing limiting this is the economics and since the cost to produce this garbage can be so low, the amount that can be produced while still be economically feasible is massive.

It's the difference between a regular ocean wave and a tsunami. It's the difference between a person bumping into you and a being hitting by a speeding semi-truck. Scale is the problem with LLM garbage content.