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Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by graemep on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:23AM (#50424102)
It says sales will overtake ICE, but its a long way from cars on the road as another comment pointed out.

It also assumes a linear trend continues. I think that is probably true if nothing changes, but there is a lot that could change that. The most likely change be joining the EU's "made in Europe" car policy which would mean far higher tariffs on Chinese EV imports.

Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by tonyedgecombe on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:30AM (#50424154)
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Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by argsnd on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:50AM (#50424321)
The EU is trying to change this, however, and the UK may agree if it gets enough in return
Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by graemep on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:12AM (#50425130)
The government is negotiating a new EU deal, and its very likely that joining the EU rules for cars (including tariffs) will be part of it.
Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by rsynnott on Monday November 09, 2026 @07:03AM (#50424448)
Only about 12% of BEV sales in the UK are Chinese manufacturers, so this may not actually make _that_ much difference.
Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by graemep on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:14AM (#50425154)
I did not know that. I have to admit I am surprised its that low.

On the other hand a lot of the growth in EV sales is coming from Chinese manufacturers so it will probably slow it down a bit - but less than I would have guessed.

Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by rsynnott on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:39AM (#50425449)
I think it’s because “Tesla vs BYD!!!” is an interesting story for the media, whereas “VW AG continues to make vast quantities of boring cars like they have been since the 60s, only now some of them are electric” is a very boring story for the media. So you get lots of talk about BYD and Tesla, and very little mention of the boring legacy manufacturers who actually make most electric cars (in the UK and Europe; other markets are more Chinese-dominated)
Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by graemep on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:09AM (#50425852)
The Chinese brands and Tesla are also more noticeable. When I see a VW I do not know whether it is ICE or BEV or a hybrid. When I see BYD I assume it is a BEV.
Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by th0masfrancis on Monday November 09, 2026 @08:42AM (#50425485)
Once EVs reach a critical mass, it would become onerous to maintain an ICE vehicle. First to cave would be the second hand ice market. In few years it wouldn’t make any sense to buy anything other than a 3-5 year old EV. That will lead to collapse of factory fresh ICE cars. The ice factories will be forced toto shut/reduce production. And inverse economies of scale will bankrupt the major ice manufacturers.
Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by graemep on Monday November 09, 2026 @09:15AM (#50425953)
There maybe a flipping point but I do not see you reasoning.

Why would the second hand market cave first? You can buy second hand ICE cars very cheap. There are lots of second had ICE cars for under £2,000 (look at places like Autotrader). Will people be able to buy five year old EVs for that price? Assuming batteries law reasonably well, I expect EVs to keep their value better than ICE cars.

its very clear at the moment that the move to BEV is being lead by new cars. The second hand market will follow because sales of new cars determine what is available second hand a few years later.

Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by rickydroll on Monday November 09, 2026 @10:09AM (#50426711)
You're right. The secondhand market for ICE cars will continue to be cheaper than EVs because we're already seeing the impact of the cost of repairs, the daily expense, and social pressure driving down the value of ICE cars.

Outside the United States, I expect 2-4 year used ICE vehicles to hit the $500 mark in the next few years. We'll likely see some bright entrepreneurs shipping barely used ICE vehicles to “countries with less infrastructure,” where gasoline is the primary energy source for transportation.

Sometimes a product is so bad that you can't make it cheap enough to make it worth buying.

Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by graemep on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:00PM (#50429989)
I am doubtful. Lots of older ICE cars are pretty reliable. Lots of people here in the UK either do motorway driving (less wear and tear and more efficient fuel consumption) or do very low mileage. Average annual mileage is about 6,000 miles for petrol cars.

Its higher for hybrids and even higher for BEV. EVs are a huge win for commuters in big cities, but that is not usual here. Only 25% of commuters in London do so in a car. I hate commuting anyway, and when I have had to do it by car (not in the UK) I hated it even more. More people go to work by car outside London but commuting mileage is still less than half other private mileage.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6a9ed42af36e1...

if I had an EV it would be more expensive, and I would have to find a way of charging it (I park on the street). A second hand BEV would still need an annual MOT, and it would still need tyres, it could still suffer accidental damage. That covers almost all of my maintenance costs in the last three years.

> We'll likely see some bright entrepreneurs shipping barely used ICE vehicles to “countries with less infrastructure,” where gasoline is the primary energy source for transportation.

Infrastructure can change pretty quickly when you do not have much of it to start with. I think the primary reason for sticking to ICE in some countries will unreliable electricity supplies - but those are also the countries where oil supplies are chancy. It could change pretty fast too. I know people with home solar in tropical countries where it is pretty reliable.

So i actually think it could go the other way with developed countries slower to switch. I am far to uncertain to take any bets though.

Re:Electric cars are about to overtake petrol in the UK, dat... by metalman on Monday November 09, 2026 @11:23AM (#50427709)
there is a growing market for importing whole ship loads of used EV's from China, so depending on import rules markets could shift quite suddenly. The total world production of EV's is growing, and in many places having the newest is important, and low mileage cars will be availible in large numbers. It's one thing to have policy that protects local manufacturing, and another to protect the continued sale of outmoded , outdated technologys and the profits taken from the sale of fuel.Not to mention the forever oil wars.