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Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by anal_reactor on Sunday November 08, 2026 @09:16PM (#50420150)
It's extremely difficult to find, hire, and then put into the right position a competent security engineer. Meanwhile competent hackers grow on trees. I understand that mistakes here were silly, but that's not the point. The point is, security is fucking difficult.

IMO the practical solution to this problem - because telling companies "just do security better" works as much as telling fat people "just eat less" - would be some kind of central registry of car parts. This was already implemented in iPhones back in the day that if a repair wasn't signed off by Apple, you couldn't install a new part to your iPhone. I imagine that if the government had a similar thing but for cars, then thieves would stop stealing cars because each stolen part would eventually be flagged somewhere and the end customer would be upset, never coming back.

I say "government" because companies cannot be trusted to make a simple interface "log in -> enter part number and car license plate -> ready to install". I assume that outside of the US the "log into government website" part is already solved in one way or another. On the privacy side, it really shouldn't be controversial, assuming that people are already used to the VIN having a repair history tied to it.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by macintux on Sunday November 08, 2026 @09:35PM (#50420302)
I’m questioning the need for connected cars in the first place. Perhaps we could revisit that trend.
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by joedwin on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:12PM (#50420580)
considering cybercab and waymo . That trend is going nowhere
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by macintux on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:15PM (#50420600)
Makes perfect sense for fully-automated vehicles that aren’t privately owned. Everything else, I think there’s an argument to be made.

Not that I expect the argument to go anywhere.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by trombuance on Sunday November 08, 2026 @10:31PM (#50420711)
The need isn't for the user, it's for government surveillance and corporate data collection. I hate to say it but this trend seems inevitable. Wherever corporate and government interests align, it's practically impossible for the people to fight.
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by macintux on Sunday November 08, 2026 @11:16PM (#50421013)
Yeah, I've decided that my 2022 vehicle is not only my first, but my last new car. I'll find a way to convert something older to electric if that becomes necessary.
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by boredatoms on Sunday November 08, 2026 @11:38PM (#50421122)
Maybe a Slate truck is of interest
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by 0xbadcafebee on Sunday November 08, 2026 @11:34PM (#50421100)
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Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by macintux on Monday November 09, 2026 @12:04AM (#50421282)
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Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by 0xbadcafebee on Sunday November 08, 2026 @11:30PM (#50421084)
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Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by nimih on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:07AM (#50421655)
Yeah, the problem isn't a dearth of technical security expertise, the problem is turning that technical expertise into meaningful organizational changes, which requires a rather different skillset (as far as I can tell: people-skills and managing/navigating bureaucracy). And, further, getting anything done is going to be a constant uphill battle in most organizations because, as you point out, paying for security doesn't [directly] contribute to quarterly revenue targets, and even worse, often times puts you in direct opposition with the people who do contribute [directly] to those targets.
Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by cyphar on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:57AM (#50422016)
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Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by jaza on Sunday November 08, 2026 @11:54PM (#50421217)
Sounds like the automaker in question actually did plenty of things right - they put robust auth in place, they didn't roll their own auth / cryptography, they were most of the way there. Yes, security is difficult, but there are some simple rules that you don't need to be a security expert in order to adhere to (I'm definitely not one myself, I'm just a garden variety dev), and that these guys did not follow, in particular:

- Never hard-code credentials (especially in front-end exposed code) - Never share credentials between environments (especially between prod and non-prod)

And that first rule, in particular, you can (and should) very easily enforce with static analysis tools. If they had just made it harder to shoot themselves in the foot, with basic checks like that, this hack would probably not have been possible.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by anonymous908213 on Monday November 09, 2026 @12:06AM (#50421301)
> It's extremely difficult to find, hire, and then put into the right position a competent security engineer.

It's not that difficult. If your security is bad, somebody finds and tells you. Then you have five options: (a) attempt to prosecute them, (b) thank them for their volunteer work and tell them to fuck off, (c) give them some loose pocket change for their help, (d) actually pay them a real bounty, (e) offer to hire them. ~0% pick E, ~10% pick D. The people who can help them literally come to their door with hard proof of their ability to help, voluntarily, and 90% of the industry snubs their nose at the very people who can take advantage of bad security. This problem is entirely self-inflicted.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by Barbing on Monday November 09, 2026 @12:44AM (#50421515)
I feel like that would be implemented in a way that leads to parts being disabled due to bugs. “No the last guy didn’t pay his O2 sensor bill!”

Also worried in 50 years reviving old cars would be tough because some servers were down. Maybe a maker goes under and stops signing their parts?

Sure it could be implemented intelligently instead though. But maybe better to ensure all have superb education and employment opportunities at wonderful wages.

Re:Unlocking any car from X brand in most of the world by alt227 on Monday November 09, 2026 @06:15AM (#50424043)
> It's extremely difficult to find, hire, and then put into the right position a competent security engineer. Meanwhile competent hackers grow on trees.

Is it so hard to just offer said hackers a boatload of cash to switch sides?