Haha, yeah. Once XFCE is fully wayland driven, I will probably be back on xfce.

Agreed, it's the only mainstream desktop with Windows 2000-era ergonomics, which I particularly like. I reluctantly use GNOME now for its better security.

Does KDE not have that? I don't know a lot about this and have just been using whatever DE comes default. GNOME 3 does seem like it's trying to be "different," kinda miss GNOME 2.

(I say this as someone whose been using KDE for nearly 20 years, and who LOVES KDE).

KDE is GREAT, if: you like tweaking and customizing things. The out-of-the-box KDE is lacking. It's like it wants to be a mix between GNOME's opinionated setup while giving you a lot of flexibility. This means, at least for me, KDE needs a lot of stuff "undone" to get it back to a usable point.

If you hate tweaking, and want something akin to the Win2k UI feel, XFCE will get you there effectively out of the box.

No, KDE is kind of a mess and is far from the look and feel of classic desktop UIs.

KDE seems surprisingly decent now (I tried Plasma out the other day).

Personally, I'm still using Unity 7 on X11, but as that DE's project is now seemingly dead again, I keep looking for a replacement. This one also looks pretty interesting!

I would really like to find something that handles fractional scaling as efficiently as Unity/Compiz. That, the dash, and (I'm ashamed to admit) wobbly windows are what keep me using it.