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Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by DSpinellis on Saturday November 07, 2026 @06:28AM (#50403593)
My understanding is that collecting these data and constructing the knowledge graph violates the European General Data Protection Directive (GDPR). According to the GDPR, personal data (such as an email's sender name and email address) are provided for a specific purpose (in the case of sending an email, for identifying the sender and facilitating email replies). Similarly, a calendar invitation is provided to organize a meeting. Processing that data for a different purpose (as described here, for constructing a knowledge graph) without the subject's explicit consent is unlawful.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by mimotomo2009 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:00AM (#50403786)
I'm not sure. IMO when you buy a Mac (or use Windows or an Android phone) you have accepted so much that there is nothing which is not allowed.

But nevertheless: as far as I have understood it everything is built on your computer and is still used on your computer. You - as the user of the Mac - has took and saved the information. Your Mac is then only working for you - if Apple doesn't load the information in their enviroment.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by Sharlin on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:12AM (#50403860)
Unlike Americans seem to think, terms of use don’t override law.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by harvey9 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:20AM (#50403917)
As a general rule you cannot override national law by accepting service terms.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by bel8 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @08:06AM (#50404236)
Someone should start a company with terms mentioning that whoever agrees to it will live forever.

If we are overriding federal laws, might as well make people immortal too.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by yubblegum on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:00AM (#50403787)
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by eastbound on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:03AM (#50403804)
It's on the person's Mac so it is a little more complicated. The person you send your data to is the Data Controller, and fails you by not publishing their privacy policy. But Apple isn't a Sub-Processor here, because they aren't sending the data to Apple.

I'm saying that because I wish the GDPR also covered the software providers who perform Data Processing against the will of all parties, but it isn't the case. Lastly, they're a person and not a business.

It is however clear that building a database of people which may contain race, religion or political opinions is illegal, even if it's just a person doing it.

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by DSpinellis on Saturday November 07, 2026 @12:28PM (#50406306)
GDPR applies to persons and businesses. The fact that you're violating GDPR, because without your knowledge Apple has deployed software on your computer that compiles this knowledge graph makes Apple complicit. Imagine violating a speed limit, because your car's speed indicator has a software flaw that causes it to show a lower speed.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by saagarjha on Sunday November 08, 2026 @12:15AM (#50410595)
This is not equivalent at all. You don’t need to create a GDPR notice because the user types their personal info into their own documents for example, despite you being on the path of it going to disk.
Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by jadamson on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:11AM (#50403854)
This probably depends on the context.

If you send a friend an email, they may add you to their address book and set a reminder for your birthday while they're at it. They don't need your permission to do that, so why would a device acting on their behalf?

On the other hand, if a customer of mine asks for the data I have on them, do I have to send them my Personal Knowledge Graph facts about them?

Re:Every Mac comes with an (undocumented) family member clas... by ba1afd89f34cb23 on Saturday November 07, 2026 @07:14AM (#50403874)
That seems wildly optimistic. I can think of various provisions under GDPR that make this perfectly fine.

For example, purpose limitation allows for compatible processing, and parsing calendar events to allow for queries like “when does mom’s flight land” is absolutely covered under that.

And, of course, GDPR doesn’t require consent. Performance of a contract is a perfectly valid legal basis other than explicit consent, and the operating system terms of service you agree to when upgrading or setting up a new device will cover this.

On a side note, you don’t want GDPR to work the way you think it works unless you really want cookie consent banners dialed up to a million.

None of this should be construed to mean that I like this feature in macOS or am defending it. I’m merely pointing out that this interpretation of GDPR does not match reality.