I've seen that. Cathy Newman being a terrible interviewer doesn't mean the thing they're talking about is actually false. But if we are doing ad hominem against Cathy, I think we should also consider it fair against Jordan: a while after this interview, he went to Russia for medical treatment banned in America and Canada, ended up with a severe addiction to benzodiazapenes and disappeared entirely from public life. He is not somebody I would rely upon for accurate information even though he was good at public speaking.