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Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by cogman10 on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:49PM (#50395696)
In fact, it's created a bunch of risks. Like the fact that nobody manufacturers floppy disks or floppy disk readers anymore.

I can understand not changing a system for change sake, but the floppy disk has been obsolete for nearly 20 years now. It's been hard to find a floppy disk reader for the last 10 years. Going so slow that you can't respond to that change is far FAR too slow.

Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by ourmandave on Friday November 06, 2026 @01:18PM (#50396135)
It was bad enough in 1986 when F-16 pilots had to bring their own cassette players on missions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVHEFiLQ3GU

Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by myrandomcomment on Friday November 06, 2026 @07:12PM (#50400295)
The old man in me says this is a reference to the movie "Iron Eagle", without clicking on the link. :)
Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by burningChrome on Friday November 06, 2026 @01:26PM (#50396248)
I worked for a salesforce partner and we spent the two years I was there working with a large ag equipment manufacturer. They had two legacy systems that were still (as I was told) some combination of Fortran and early Unix systems. They had been reluctant to upgrade them because one of the their main manufacturing machines was still running on it and they were terrified if they upgraded and something went wrong, it would cost them millions in production time.

As you pointed out, you can't find floppy discs or disc manufacturers any more. I do remember one of the VP's of this company saying as long as they keep teaching Fortran to college engineers, they have no reason to upgrade yet. That got a few raised eyebrows from our team. We relented and upgraded what they were comfortable with - but man oh man it was quite the eye opener for me as a young dev how the thought processes of the people running these companies really are.

Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by SoftTalker on Friday November 06, 2026 @01:43PM (#50396508)
Fortran is still used in scientific computing.

As long as those manufacturing systems were air-gapped and working, I can understand being conservative with changes. Of course at some point you're at risk of hardware failures too, for things that are likely NLA.

Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by cogman10 on Friday November 06, 2026 @01:57PM (#50396713)
> Of course at some point you're at risk of hardware failures too, for things that are likely NLA.

Yeah, that's really the biggest issue with these systems. Were I one of these manufacturers I'd invest in getting the current software running in a VM specifically to make it easier to transition to new hardware. The last thing they'll want to deal with is that their software was written for Sun Spark and that no longer exists.

That said, hard to go wrong porting over the x86 at this point.

Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by ajxs on Friday November 06, 2026 @03:05PM (#50397649)
> ...getting the current software running in a VM specifically to make it easier to transition to new hardware.

Some of the signal control infrastructure for the Melbourne rail network was ported over to an emulated PDP-11 System for this reason. This was previously discussed on HN here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42514553

Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by DaiPlusPlus on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:56PM (#50399619)
β€œNLA”?
Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by Jtsummers on Friday November 06, 2026 @06:01PM (#50399660)
no longer available
Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by ryan_glass on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:09PM (#50396875)
Fortran is still the choice for Nuclear Engineering too.
Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by JackFr on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:35PM (#50397249)
My understanding, from a long retired uncle (after a 40 year career at the National Institues of Health writing nothing but Fortran), is that Claude writes perfectly idiomatic, performant Fortran. Which I suppose is not a surprise given how it was trained, but I still found amusing to hear.
Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by DaiPlusPlus on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:59PM (#50399647)
Have the idioms of Fortran changed much over the decades? Because idiomatic C++ today is unrecognizable to how people had to write for VC++ Win32 until well-until the 2010s.
Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by yodelshady on Saturday November 07, 2026 @08:59AM (#50404585)
Yes, infamously so. It was fixed-width at one point.

My humbling Claude experience was pointing at a codebase it took me weeks to get to a good 2003 standard, and watch it do the next fifteen years, cleanup, refactoring, feature additions that needed the tech debt solved I never got round to first, in minutes.

Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by stevekemp on Friday November 06, 2026 @01:39PM (#50396441)
Linux 7.4 got fixes for floppy disk handling, as recently as yesterday!

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/lin...

Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by SoftTalker on Friday November 06, 2026 @01:40PM (#50396466)
A bit odd that they didn't at least update to using USB thumb drives. Those are readily available and at least as reliable as magnetic floppy disks.
Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by cogman10 on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:02PM (#50396789)
Yeah, that's what I'd have expected especially because I believe the USB mass media standard was part of the original standard. You'd need no special drivers to work with a modern USB thumb drive even if you are dealing with windows 98 (Win95 had usb support, but I believe you still had to install the drivers for it).
Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by jasomill on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:30PM (#50397180)
Not only drivers. The initial release of Windows 95 predates USB itself, so the entire USB stack didn't appear until later OEM service releases that AFAIK were never released as updates for existing installs or even as retail products (unless you count MSDN or OEM System Builder products with their associated license restrictions).
Re:FAA Begins Retiring Decades Old Floppy Disks from Air Tra... by Telemakhos on Friday November 06, 2026 @04:50PM (#50398979)
You can get floppy disks and USB-C floppy drives on Amazon. Drives are under $20.