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Re:Hackers hit French national blood bank by Ekaros on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @07:37AM (#50364729)
Basically understand that fridges and freezers work by making a surface, heat exchanger or some type of pipe cold. Being cold leads to moisture in ambient air condensing on that. And being usually below freezing to icing on it. Ice is not very good heat conductor. So you want occasionally get rid of it. Easiest way to achieve this is heating it. Simple resistive heaters are cheap and maluable for this.

Now if you can control these heaters you can pump up the temperature to quite high. And I imagine with certain uses cases actually emptying the whole thing heating it up to melt ice and then bringing temp back down is not that unreasonable process. Also allows keeping the temperature in very close range. For home appliances bit more temperature variation is acceptable.

Re:Hackers hit French national blood bank by customguy on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:08AM (#50365038)
Maybe it could be combined with thermostats? E.g. one for "if it ever gets hotter than N degrees, disconnect all heating elements and trigger some alarm", another one for "if it's warmer than X for longer than Y minutes, do the same". That could also be to the network, too, it just would never read from it, or from anything electronically. Just bimetals closing or opening circuits, basically. How expensive would that even be? (If you planned for it from day 1 of the design I mean, not retrofitting things)
Re:Hackers hit French national blood bank by throw0101c on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @08:21AM (#50365185)
> Maybe it could be combined with thermostats? E.g. one for "if it ever gets hotter than N degrees, disconnect all heating elements and trigger some alarm", another one for "if it's warmer than X for longer than Y minutes, do the same".

Why would they alarm when they were instructed to initiate a defrost cycle and heat up?

(Most medical-class freezers to have an alert function that sends an e-mail, SNMP trap, etc, when things go "wrong", but defrosting 'as requested' is hardy "going wrong".)

Re:Hackers hit French national blood bank by giantg2 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @09:12AM (#50365792)
Or just do it the better, manual, way - point a heat lamp and fan at it with the unit open. Even if you melt the ice inside, you still need to remove the moisture. The manual process is not that intensive and needs to be performed very infrequently.
Re:Hackers hit French national blood bank by customguy on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @01:04PM (#50369253)
Fridge at home totally, no idea about blood banks, but freezers in supermarkets probably not so much? I would imagine being able to start a warming cycle, then going around with dry towels to wipe out the water, especially if you have to do it while the store is open, is a lot more feasible.

But how about this, maybe something that keeps an eye on the state and rate of ice buildup, and helps schedule doing it when it's actually necessary, and maybe helps spot issues that cause quicker buildup.

Re:Hackers hit French national blood bank by giantg2 on Wednesday November 04, 2026 @02:30PM (#50370396)
Yeah, even at home towels are used.

That could be useful. An easy implementation might to to track temperature trends with power draw relative to the other units. You might have to account for door openings, but seems like a good way to mark units for mechanical inspection.