> they're off.

Help me out here — to where?

I have good experience with mailbox.org. I've heard good things about tutanota.

I'm not the most privacy-minded guy though.

there is privacy and there is privacy.

what's your (broadly you I mean) threat model?

I'm not worried about the NSA or Mossad, I'm mostly worried about Google or Yandex or whoever. I don't do anything especially illegal, and just staying off the radar is mostly enough. I've got forreal PGP if I need it, got a buncha keys on the MIT keyring, etc.

Just someone who takes security and privacy seriously and is not a data reseller like the 'goog or MS. Problem is they have shown they don't take it seriously.

Not much. Availability first. I'm looking for European hosting in a serious country (mailbox.org is in Germany). I also don't want to see breaches. Critical for me is to bring my own domain, that way I can migrate on a whim.

Proton has always been a sham. Their users may be privacy-minded, but not privacy-competent.

Yeah, I don't know about their expanded suite nowadays, haven't paid attention, but their original mail service was mostly just marketing.

"Encrypted email" as if all of your mail isn't in plaintext anyways because no one is using PGP. And if you're emailing Proton to Proton... well there are more convenient encrypted messaging platforms.

Please teach us your ways privacy guru (no, really) (also make it convenient and easy to use)

There's still a pipeline of them coming to Proton from Google and Microsoft, with about as little research as when they decide to leave Proton.

yep, Proton is in the business of trust as a service. Surprised that they think differently.