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Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by jonhohle on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @10:10AM (#50259648)
Wikipedia is also a training source and shouldn’t also be a model output for content. Eventually it will be an oroborus, but it seems prudent to avoid that for as long as possible.
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by DonaldPShimoda on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @10:14AM (#50259720)
A little over a year ago, the MIT Technology Review ran a piece about how outputting AI content to non-English Wikipedia is rapidly corrupting the primary training data for uncommon languages because of exactly this process: https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/09/25/1124005/ai-wikip...
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by Natsu on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @11:53AM (#50261153)
It's funny to think that pre-LLM archives are the new low-background steel.
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by progbits on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @12:10PM (#50261384)
Krazam has a video about that.
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by throwaway2037 on Wednesday October 28, 2026 @12:32AM (#50269381)
"Rare Data Hunters"[1]? Man, the production quality went through the roof on his newest stuff.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU4ByUbDKNc

Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by adventured on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @12:11PM (#50261387)
It certainly may place a very high value on archive.org over time thanks to their historical timestamping
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by DonaldPShimoda on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @12:29PM (#50261655)
Ooh, I like this way of thinking of it. Thanks for that!
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by mschuster91 on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @01:15PM (#50262420)
Hence all the AI labs buying up and destroying physical books. Even "yellow press" stuff, pulp fiction, dime novels and whatnot "low quality" literature are a valuable source of how actual humans write.

I wouldn't even have much of a problem with it - if these labs would be fair enough to humanity as a whole to provide the raw scans after the process is completed, and if they would limit themselves to books that have been on the market for more than 20 years.

Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by aesthesia on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @01:42PM (#50262855)
> if these labs would be fair enough to humanity as a whole to provide the raw scans after the process is completed

Unfortunately, this would get them an even bigger copyright smackdown than they've already received.

Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by sho_hn on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @08:06PM (#50267670)
Wait, they received a copyright smackdown? When?
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by aesthesia on Thursday October 29, 2026 @12:42PM (#50291955)
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by will5421 on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @01:28PM (#50262616)
And destroying!?
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by frozenseven on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @07:27PM (#50267340)
So, just like libraries and retailers already do?
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by matkoniecz on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @02:03PM (#50263253)
From my understanding, they are legally obligated to in this case.
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by shevy-java on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @03:21PM (#50264371)
The Holy Inquisition was also required to burn witches in the medieval era.

That does not really make it a law though.

Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by Natsu on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @04:37PM (#50265432)
It's copyright law, they're not supposed to have extra copies of the work, just one.
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by msla on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @04:47PM (#50265574)
What do you think bookstores do?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripped_book

> A stripped book is a mass market paperback that has been stripped of its cover in order to be recycled. The covers are returned to the publisher as evidence that the books have been destroyed and to obtain a credit on the purchase price.[1] The books are meant to be destroyed by pulping but some find their way to street merchants, sometimes by illegal means, and are resold.[2]

I grew up reading books with this ditty in them:

> If you purchased this book without a cover you should be aware that this book is stolen property. It was reported as “unsold and destroyed” to the publisher and neither the author nor the publisher has received any payment for this “stripped book.”

Those books certainly weren't scanned before being pulped. Would've been illegal. Really, the big thing that destroys books is the copyright term being as long as it is.

Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by paradox460 on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @07:33PM (#50267392)
Every tor SF book I've ever read had that. Neat little bit of history
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by DonaldPShimoda on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @05:51PM (#50266354)
AI companies weren't buying up tons of unsold mass-market materials, and I think it's disingenuous to even make the comparison.

What was going on recently was AI companies were specifically seeking out rare — or sometimes irreplaceable — books to supplement their data sets (and hopefully getting a leg up on their competitors). The destruction of the books wasn't the point, it was just a consequence of the business-oriented realization that they could scan the contents of more books faster if they just chopped off the bindings rather than investing the time to care for the books and keep them intact (plus supposedly playing along with copyright law by "only having one copy of the copyrighted material").

Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by msla on Wednesday October 28, 2026 @09:31PM (#50283401)
> What was going on recently was AI companies were specifically seeking out rare

A lot of worthless books are rare. That was what people in the trade call "Clickbait"; in that it isn't technically a lie but it sure ain't the truth.

> The destruction of the books wasn't the point

It was to the people who shared the stories for clicks and outrage farming.

Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by rc1 on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @06:05PM (#50266499)
Ironically. Wikipedia already links that concept to low-background steel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel#Cultural_...
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by cowlevel on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @01:16PM (#50262442)
A human did this first with Scots Wikipedia by rewriting English articles in Scottish eye dialect of English and passing it off as Scots.
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by phoghed on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @10:12AM (#50259694)
The models are already trained on model output on purpose
Re:Wikipedia's Cleanup of AI-Generated Content by xp84 on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @11:51AM (#50261123)
Maybe so, but in a controlled and deliberate fashion.

Not just random output of who knows what model, from who knows what prompt.