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Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by rpigab on Monday October 26, 2026 @08:31AM (#50242542)
What pediatricians and many others actually say:

0-3 yrs old: no screens at all. No TV playing when they are in the room, even if they can only hear the sound. Refrain from using your phone too long when they are in the room with you, they need to see your face react to them to learn human interaction.

3-6: no screens used alone. No internet. Interactive content with a parent is ok, not regularly, not in the bedroom.

6-9: may discover safe internet spaces, with help from parents.

9-12: can learn to manage their screen time, protect their private life, develop critical thinking.

12+: no screens at night, talk to your kid about what they do online, more autonomy.

This is what we follow (refraining from using the phone ourselves is prolly the hardest to do), they have never watched cartoons alone, they love old point'n'click games on the PC with me, we share the mouse, and I thought they would ask for more and more screen time, they don't. They actually want to read books with parents, paint, draw, build, go outside, ride a bicycle, invite friends. Maybe we're lucky. They don't throw tantrums in their seat, they sometimes do while grocery shopping, it's difficult, but I would never use a screen to stop it.

So, I don't see how this kind of device can be useful and safe at any age. It seems designed to cause the infamous "iPad kid" syndrome or get them hooked on Amazon products even younger than before.

But there's even worse in stores today: AI assistant integrated plushies.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by seamossfet on Monday October 26, 2026 @11:10AM (#50245101)
Do keep in mind that the vast majority of people posting in this thread of grown up with TVs in the background. The 0-3 year rule is a little silly.

Like sure, of course, don't let the kid just mindlessly watch TV. But removing the TV entirely from all spaces they could possibly be in is too extreme and the benefits of that are not clear other than expressing the parents' own maniacal anxiety which (in of itself) is not a good thing to teach the child.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by hobo123 on Monday October 26, 2026 @11:37AM (#50245563)
I grew up mostly without a TV, and how a long time people were surprised how good my memory of little details was, how good my observation of details in my surroundings, how clearly I could think. I don't think that's a coincidence, v even though I would have preferred to watch more nice movies, esp. in my early teens. I also didn't need glasses until I was 18, because I didn't enough time outside, even though my parents were very myopic (my Dad technically almost blind at minus double digits).

Today we raise our kids the similarly: they watched some Peppa Pig and later Paw Patrol _very_ occasionally (the older one maybe starting at 3, the younger starting at 2), now (kids 6 and 8) they sometimes watch an episode of something, or we watch a movie together. Sometimes they can check out Lego sets online, or use the school-provided learning website (Anton).

The kids also have excellent detail memory and observation skills, great imagination (they tell us many stories and play with Lego in very unintended ways), very good language vocabulary and generally fly through school. Again: probably not a coincidence (even though some of it may be inherited IQ). No glasses needed so far.

I'm not saying everybody needs to do it like this exactly, but I'm happy with many decisions.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by superxpro12 on Monday October 26, 2026 @11:20AM (#50245305)
there's a difference between using a tv as a response to bad behavior, and using a tv as a social event to build familial bonds.

youre gonna have a hard time convincing me that rugrats and bluey are a negative impact on development.

that said, tv for a 0-1 does feel icky. like i wouldnt recommend tossing them in a bouncer in front of a tv for hours.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by seamossfet on Monday October 26, 2026 @12:00PM (#50246020)
I'm just not convinced watching the news in the morning on the TV with our kid in the other room eating breakfast is going to ruin my child.

The way the post is framed, it makes it seem like you have to completely remove all TVs from the child's life to be consistent with the medical literature which doesn't seem correct.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @05:46AM (#50256652)
> youre gonna have a hard time convincing me that rugrats and bluey are a negative impact on development.

Everything in moderation; an episode a day can't be too bad, but having it running all the time, or it being the only thing they watch will have consequences.

All the time makes it a digital pacifier, it'll cause anxiety if it's ever off - this is what a lot of people already have a problem with, like, I'll pull out my phone in a quiet moment. And it being the only thing they watch limits their world view and potential.

It's like books, some people only read Harry Potter or one of the YA series and it's what they (need to?) relate everything to. A newish subreddit was opened up about that, https://www.reddit.com/r/readanotherbook/. Top post has someone claiming Harry Potter's author who shall not be named was the first author writing about classism.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by customguy on Monday October 26, 2026 @11:26AM (#50245391)
> Do keep in mind that the vast majority of people posting in this thread of grown up with TVs in the background. The 0-3 year rule is a little silly.

Most people use password123 as password, and like using the same password on every site, so saying that's bad is a bit silly?

What kind of logic is that?

> benefits of that are not clear other than expressing the parents' own maniacal anxiety which (in of itself)

The coupling of the benefits being supposedly "not clear" while "maniacal anxiety" being absolutely certain is just classic.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by seamossfet on Monday October 26, 2026 @11:58AM (#50245965)
>Most people use password123 as password, and like using the same password on every site, so saying that's bad is a bit silly?

That's a ridiculous false equivalence and you know it.

Choosing a poor password is nowhere near analogous to the investment and energy requirement of creating completely TV-free spaces for children.

I'm questioning whether that degree of separating is consistent with the medical literature, not whether we should "do something bad because we've always done something bad"

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by eXpl0it3r on Monday October 26, 2026 @12:10PM (#50246213)
I know there are different culture around TV usage, with some families having the TV always on and some not even owning a TV. But if not using the TV while the baby / toddler is in the same room is too costly in investment and energy requirement, I personally would spend some time reflecting on my TV usage habits.
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by seamossfet on Monday October 26, 2026 @12:18PM (#50246356)
Again, having the TV on to watch the news in the morning is not the same thing as plopping the child in front of cocomelon and letting them brainrot in the morning.
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by customguy on Monday October 26, 2026 @03:14PM (#50249404)
> I'm questioning whether that degree of separating is consistent with the medical literature, not whether we should "do something bad because we've always done something bad"

But that's the whole argument. It's silly because many are used to it, it's too extreme a change for people who are used to it.

If the majority of people somewhere did indeed use "Password123" everywhere and had been for decades, they'd find excuses too, one of them that it's not so bad as "Password". They might have a whole process around dealing with while not seeing the fallout.

> the investment and energy requirement of creating completely TV-free spaces for children.

Huh? You simply don't turn on the TV when the kid is there. If you want to save even more money and energy, don't get a TV.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by seamossfet on Monday October 26, 2026 @04:08PM (#50250159)
>Huh? You simply don't turn on the TV when the kid is there. If you want to save even more money and energy, don't get a TV.

If there is a TV at a restaurant and the kid sees it, do you tell them to turn it off for you?

If you walk by the electronics section at a walmart do you demand the workers turn off all the TVs before you pass by?

Do you scout every location prior to visiting to make sure you avoid TVs at all costs?

My point is the framing of kid cannot even _hear_ the TV without ruining the child is ridiculous.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @05:41AM (#50256620)
In my first years TV broadcasts only started later in the day and there were only three channels, so watching TV wasn't really a thing you could do for extended periods of time. Then we got cable TV when I was probably 8 or 9 or so and things changed, we'd have the TV on for hours a day, usually from when we came home from school until when my parents went to bed (it did go off during dinner though).

I have no idea what happened with regards to TV usage between age 0-3 though, lol. But I know it wasn't on in the background - watching TV was and remains an active activity. I could never understand why some people have a TV show on in the background while they do other things, but then I usually have music playing.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by xivzgrev on Monday October 26, 2026 @10:29AM (#50244348)
Yep that's generally the ideal, though these are a little more strict than the official guidelines from AAP and WHO

At the same time I'd never judge a parent who is using a screen. It's hard and you don't know what else they're juggling. They probably feel guilty about it as well.

Plus I have the "plank in my own eye", sometimes we let our preschooler watch videos by himself while eating or in the car. He has plenty of interactive non screen time, just...trade offs.

We also looked at kindergarten near us and apparently they use screens for a small part of the day for personalized learning modules (ahead or behind). Seems...early?

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by hobo123 on Monday October 26, 2026 @11:41AM (#50245646)
True, but there's a huge difference between parking the kids so you can have a shower, or so you can be in that meeting once in a while, and parking them at the TV every day (which our Kindergarten ladies told us was rather common, and they can see how kids play very differently based on media use at home). Now in elem school most kids also spend serious time daily on tablets, TV, and game consoles, as told by the teachers.

I know many parents have difficult lives, but I have to say: this isn't good.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by throwawaydfasjf on Monday October 26, 2026 @10:42AM (#50244593)
It's ok to judge bad parenting.
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by seamossfet on Monday October 26, 2026 @11:11AM (#50245117)
From the perspective of other people, most parents will almost always be considered a bad parent.

Parenting is hard, and strangers are always brutal judges of you.

Best not to concern yourself with the opinions of strangers.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by moi2388 on Monday October 26, 2026 @11:10AM (#50245106)
True, but them letting their kid use a screen once when you happen to see it is in no way an indication of bad parenting.
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by dbvn on Monday October 26, 2026 @09:50AM (#50243687)
not allowing them to hear a TV for 3 years is such overkill and would remove them from being around many spaces
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by rpigab on Monday October 26, 2026 @09:56AM (#50243800)
It's the TVs that should be removed from most spaces, not the kids, like loud video ads in some supermarkets.

Otherwise, I don't really see your point, preschoolers rarely have access to TVs where I live.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by dbvn on Monday October 26, 2026 @10:38AM (#50244508)
uh oh, everyone's watching the big game... I better leave, so my child doesn't hear the big scary TV
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday October 27, 2026 @05:48AM (#50256663)
I personally agree, but then to make it more generalized, less sensory input everywhere is probably good for a lot of people.
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by wxre on Monday October 26, 2026 @10:52AM (#50244774)
It's near impossible in a multi kid house without applying the same rules to the rest of the kids. I see people do this for the first kid and abandon it entirely for the 2nd.
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by anax32 on Monday October 26, 2026 @11:02AM (#50244964)
something i've noticed: internet is different from TV in the amount of text on screen, even simply ads and interfaces is a lot of text.

I'd be interested to know if this makes children "text-blind" and relates to increased struggles with reading and writing as they get older. It seems a theme in 6-10 year olds from teachers at the moment.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by adverbly on Monday October 26, 2026 @10:59AM (#50244923)
This seems very arbitrary.

That might be what pediatricians say to YOU, or what they would give as generic aspirational goals, but frankly I think generic aspirational goals are silly.

Wouldn't no screens ever be safer at all ages if you're worried about screens? Its not like teens don't have problems with social media...

I think its important to separate recommendations from ideals.

For one, an ideal is not pragmatic and is only true "all other things being equal". It ignores trade-offs.

Second, an ideal for one is an ideal for all, but a recommendation for one is not a recommendation for all.

Do you also eat only vegetables, never smoke or drink, and go on a run for 30 minutes every day (of course same for kids as well)? Do you practice gratitude and volunteer weekly?

My point is simply that less screens is probably directionaly correct, but pushing consistent standards or recommendations is silly. Everyone is at a different level and should have different goals. We should all work on using less screens in whatever way we can, and understand how far we are from an ideal, and what damage is caused by that mismatch, but we shouldn't act like one arbitrary standard is actually magically correct and should be a global requirement.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by GuB-42 on Monday October 26, 2026 @09:30AM (#50243353)
> AI assistant integrated plushies.

Modern day Furbies?

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by himata4113 on Monday October 26, 2026 @09:30AM (#50243341)
or be me and discover live* and ** at the age of 11 including the dark web.

Although I am not sure how much it shaped my life since self reflection is quite hard.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by dr_dshiv on Monday October 26, 2026 @09:23AM (#50243217)
Rrrriiight…
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by dr_dshiv on Monday October 26, 2026 @04:05PM (#50250117)
Father of 4. I grew up with no tv. Except I watched it every day at my grandparents.
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by Alex3917 on Monday October 26, 2026 @09:39AM (#50243492)
Almost none of the research these guidelines are based on takes genetics into account, so it pretty much all needs to be redone. The guidelines are probably fine for most people, but let’s face it, if you’re a regular HN participant then your kids probably aren’t anywhere close to the median.
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by rpigab on Monday October 26, 2026 @10:06AM (#50243949)
Why should genetics play a role here? TVs have only existed for a century. These guidelines might err on the side of caution, but it is a good thing considering how fast screen time among kids is growing, and how little we know about its long-term effects.

These should be universal, even if some culture will first disagree and want to do things differently because they think they know better, in the end it will converge to the same, like it did for lead paint on toys, asbestos in housing, radium-dial watches, thalidomide for morning sickness for pregnant women, X-rays for shoe-fitting, etc.

Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by everdrive on Monday October 26, 2026 @10:39AM (#50244519)
Because genetics influence things such as impulse control.
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by Alex3917 on Monday October 26, 2026 @12:35PM (#50246646)
Screens might be less harmful or even good for some subset of kids, and we might be harming those kids by excessively limiting their screen time. We don’t know until we do the research.
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by bkaraaslan on Monday October 26, 2026 @09:56AM (#50243801)
how is me being a HN participant is related with genetics?
Re:Amazon's "Digital Pacifier" for Toddlers by jakeydus on Monday October 26, 2026 @09:57AM (#50243817)
because you're probably a big nerd or something (I have no idea what the original comment was implying)