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Re:France needs to read my paper by estearum on Friday October 23, 2026 @06:52AM (#50206994)
The obscene limitation on freedom and liberty is the idea that a person can stake a claim to earth's productive power and deny everyone else the upside under threat of injury or death.
Re:France needs to read my paper by giantg2 on Friday October 23, 2026 @07:00AM (#50207069)
This makes no sense at all unless you believe that nobody should own property. The government is much more likely to be the one using threat of force to take your property for lack of tax payment than anyone else is for any other reason.

The value of land is only what people make of it. It's mostly hypothetical as to what you could use it for. The driving factor in land "value" is location, which is an artificial factor created by humans. That same empty lot in a city that everyone complains about needing to have a land value tax assessed against it is pennies on the dollar our in the county. Perhaps we should look at efficient use of resources and population distribution policies rather than focusing on the symptoms rather than the problem.

Re:France needs to read my paper by estearum on Friday October 23, 2026 @07:06AM (#50207128)
No, people should own property that they created or that someone else created and willingly sold to them. Land values are by definition neither of those things.

> The government is much more likely to be the one using threat of force to take your property for lack of tax payment than anyone else is for any other reason.

Physical coercion is much more common to enforce evictions than nonpayment of taxes. This is because landlords offloaded the responsibility of enforcement and security back to the peasants in exchange for having rule of law.

> The value of land is only what people make of it.

This entire paragraph is meaningless. More valuable land is more valuable because it's more productive. It is more productive not because of the actions of the owner of that land, but because of either 1) nature's productive power, or 2) the surroundings of that land (nearby amenities, infrastructure, employers, etc). In either case, the owner of the plot of land did not produce the value of the raw land. They are not entitled to upside they did not produce.

Re:France needs to read my paper by giantg2 on Friday October 23, 2026 @07:42AM (#50207429)
"No, people should own property that they created or that someone else created and willingly sold to them. Land values are by definition neither of those things."

Seems irrelevant as real property needs land to exist on and is just a vehicle for use. In the vast majority of the cases, the property is sold with the land and is preserved, meaning the land value is mostly inconsequential when already built on except in a small number of cases.

"Physical coercion is much more common to enforce evictions than nonpayment of taxes."

We were talking about seizing property. Renters do not own the property, the landlord does. That's an important distinction when talking about seizing property.

"2) the surroundings of that land (nearby amenities, infrastructure, employers, etc)"

Based on what people made it, just like I said.

"They are not entitled to upside they did not produce."

We live in a world with other people. Their tax dollars produced that infrastructure. They maintained their property. It's so odd to think that someone's else did your work for you, as if you never maintained property or paid taxes.

Re:France needs to read my paper by estearum on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:11AM (#50207711)
> meaning the land value is mostly inconsequential when already built on except in a small number of cases.

Literally false. In high-cost areas the land value is the bulk of the value of a property. Properties that would have a high LVT burden are almost definitionally those where the structure on top of the land is of little or negative value. Negative-value buildings are extremely common in high-cost areas today.

I struggle to believe you’re actually having a hard time understanding this point, but “the people” who produce high land values are not the people who capture those land values. That’s the point. Just because they’re both “people” doesn’t mean they’re fungible in the question of who earned what.

Re:France needs to read my paper by giantg2 on Friday October 23, 2026 @03:20PM (#50214043)
It seems you have already made up your mind. Good luck in life.
Re:France needs to read my paper by estearum on Friday October 23, 2026 @03:59PM (#50214500)
> description of verifiable economic facts

> "It seems you have already made up your mind. Good luck in life."

have a good one amigo