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Re:Documents: Police officer gave her Flock login to her ICE... by ShadowOfThePit on Monday October 19, 2026 @08:31AM (#50151601)
...this seems overtly paranoid and is really hard to believe. Who are you to be constantly stalked by 4-5 people?

And you blame the "adults of America" that supposedly are "psychologically inmature", which to me looks like an absurd and unsubstantiated claim

Re:Documents: Police officer gave her Flock login to her ICE... by Kevin_Flynn on Monday October 19, 2026 @08:48AM (#50151784)
I'd be happy to complete a test for you, that demonstrates im not paranoid, and merely repeating what I am observing in my life.

The Flock system has these risks built into it, no matter what its proponents claim. A person with one too many beers in them, in any downtown area, in any city, in any country, could say something to offend the wrong person. A person with access to Flock, who happens to be a police officer, who then stalks them.

Your reality is composed of what you have observed, what you have experienced, and what people tell you is real, and people tell 9 lies a day.

Your reality, some part of it, is not what you think. If you place a person in a reality that you control, and then execute a "rug pull" where you drop the veil and reveal a different reality, it causes stress, and stress kills after enough of it.

It's alright if you can't accept that this is happening to other people, but you are doing so because the idea scares you, and its not happening to you, so you reject it, and that is why it works.

Its the new digital Jim Crowe era, and US history is repleat with stories of people whos rights have been abused by others.

For every black person who was denied a seat at a diner in the 50's, there were 10 white people who love the diner and get excellent service every time.

We share a planet, and a country, while our experiences, even in the exact same place, are different.

The wealthy are fine protectors of the status quo, because it serves them. The poor have problems with the status quo, because it doesn't serve them. Same set of rules, 2 different outcomes, for 2 different groups of people.

Re:Documents: Police officer gave her Flock login to her ICE... by ShadowOfThePit on Thursday October 29, 2026 @07:20AM (#50287293)
> It's alright if you can't accept that this is happening to other people, but you are doing so because the idea scares you, and its not happening to you, so you reject it, and that is why it works.

Fuck off with your condescending assumptions.

Re:Documents: Police officer gave her Flock login to her ICE... by isthatafact on Monday October 19, 2026 @08:50AM (#50151803)
The comment described a plausible scenario of how flock could be used in the described stalking. Instead of assuming the commenter is paranoid and delusional, we should make sure that surveillance cameras cannot be used in that way, especially given that there are actual documented cases of flock being used for stalking and no apparent safeguards to prevent it.
Re:Documents: Police officer gave her Flock login to her ICE... by skinfaxi on Monday October 19, 2026 @10:26AM (#50152915)
It can be a bit of both. There are subreddits full of people claiming to be gangstalked. Who is paying these people to follow this person around? Or they just have enough free time/no job and do it for fun?
Re:Documents: Police officer gave her Flock login to her ICE... by Kevin_Flynn on Monday October 19, 2026 @10:56AM (#50153281)
The bottom line of it, is "projection."

Lets say Im your former girlfriend from school, and I have a grudge against you for normal mistakes kids make when socializing in school, and I have access to the Flock system, either directly, or through someone I've known for a long time.

Lets also add, that I have $5 million dollars in the bank, from having been born into a family of privilege, and experienced success in my professional life.

Lets also add, that I'm an unstable malignant narcissist, or covert narcissist, who extracts joy from using power to make others suffer. This isn't a made up diagnosis, this is a real behavior pattern among people in power.

Now, you are doing everything "right." You would never even think of stalking, harrassing, attacking anyone. Just because you don't have these thoughts, doesn't mean that others don't have them. They do. But you dont have a social support network, and you live paycheck to paycheck.

I can destabilize your life in any number of ways with the Flock database, because I know every store you visit, every friend you visit, every park you visit, etc. and theres nothing you can do about it.

I can send my police officer friend, into a store that you visit, like Home Depot, that has flock, and have them tell the security guy at home depot to flag you for whatever reason I care to make up. The uniform provides all the authority, even when the conversation is complete bs. The home depot guy flags you. Now, everytime you walk into any home depot, some random stranger treats you like a repeat shoplifter. They follow you, they say odd things to you. The idea that you are a criminal is "projected" onto you, by their assumption.

I can hire actors using the gig economy websites, and send them to where you are going to be to act out a script, which will cause you to respond in a manner that prevents you from thinking clearly. They will mock your clothes, your hair, etc.

After enough of these "scripted scenes" you realize everyone treats you like a criminal, worthless, useless troublemaker, and not the educated, intelligent, caring professional you are. They projected a new identity onto you.

A person who is aware of what is happening to them, and sees it clearly, has a near 0 chance of explaining it to someone who hasn't experienced it themselves. They sound crazy, because they have been intentionally destablized using the same psychological warfare tactics that get used by the military during wars.

They also begin to behave differently, in order to avoid the stress. In the home depot example, they start parking where the flock camera wont tag the car. Anyone with them asks "why are we walking a mile" and the person says "The flock system is tracking me." A perfectly rational adaptation to the environment, gets perceived as paranoia, because the stress only exists in the targets perception.

This technique works especially well on people who are seeking validation of their own identity from others. If you know who you are, and you have cemented your own identity, it doesn't work the same.

Watch some of Sam Vaknin's videos on narcissism. You'll be amazed that these people exist and enjoy destroying others, and they tend to hold positions of power. Your pain is their pleasure.

https://www.youtube.com/@samvaknin

Re:Documents: Police officer gave her Flock login to her ICE... by arcza on Monday October 19, 2026 @08:59AM (#50151915)
Yes, this. I wouldn't start by victim blaming over what is a plausible event from recent media coverage of Flock.