You have already shown your "true colours", by arguing about Islam when the issue is the would-be-murder of an innocent man by Saudi Arabia in the name of Islam.

Did you decide he was innocent? Fact is, neither one of us has the full story, let alone knowing whether or not the court decision was in-line with Islamic tenants (it may have, or it may not have). But some people just seem to want to jump to conclusions and get outraged.

Don't play the Islamic apologist. A cursory google search brings up any number of detailed reports on this incident. There are a few in this thread itself.

Here is a link posted by a user to a detailed article - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50015881

From the linked article;

On 7 October, Amnesty International called on Saudi Arabia to quash the sentence and release him immediately and unconditionally.

"No one should be imprisoned, let alone face execution simply for expressing their views, even if these are deemed insulting or offensive," said Heba Morayef, Amnesty's regional director for the Middle East and North Africa.

You don't get to tell me what to do.

One would think it's important to follow the law of the land, right? We'll see what comes out of this incident once the law runs its course.

I do get to tell you what not to do when you are on a public forum like HN.

Do not proselytize your Religion, Do not support/try-to-explain would-be-murder of innocents in the name of your Religion.

Nope, you don't set the rules. We also defend our religion against Islamophobes spreading incorrect information or FUD. Freedom of speech eh? Or is it rules for thee but not for me?

You don't defend barbarism/extremism/fundamentalism/terrorism whether it is done in the name of Religion or not.

In this case it is very clearly the former and hence got called out by me and everybody else. The fact that you are even arguing about this (i.e. would-be-murder of an innocent man) speaks volumes about You and your Religion.

I'm not defending terrorism/barbarism/extremism. Let's stop throwing around words pretending to get outraged at something we don't know the entire story about. We've seen the facade of the west pretending to care about "human rights" and "women's rights" fall so quickly. That's what speaks volumes. My points hold.

> I'm not defending terrorism/barbarism/extremism.

You are, when you start explaining how "Sharia is not bad" when an innocent man is sentenced to death under "Sharia law"!

Don't be a blatant hypocrite.

I am not a Westerner but had lived in the West for a while, so i can tell you that Western hypocrisy is trivial when compared to Islamic hypocrisy which is the worst in every dimension. This is why so many Muslims leave their own countries and try to move to the developed Western World by-hook-or-by-crook.

You have no idea of what you are talking about and hence some education is in order.

1) Criticism of Islam - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Islam

2) Criticism of Islamism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Islamism

3) Islamic Fundamentalism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism

4) Islamic Terrorism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

The word "Shariah" just means "Law", so "Shariah Law" means "Law Law". I say this because western media has been pushing this "Shariah Law" is bad and scary narrative, but when you actually look at it, the penal code part of Shariah is but a tiny aspect of a holistic system, and every functioning system needs a penal law.

I will also repeat that neither one of us has the entire picture of what happened, posting snippets from random articles does not change that.

There is no "Islamic hypocrisy". Muslims leave their countries because they have been occupied and/or meddled with, peaking since post WWI colonization, and continuing to this day. Also, as long as one is able to practice his religion freely, he is allowed to travel. Scholars have repeatedly said that if someone fears that he is not able to practice freely where in the non-Muslim country he resides, it becomes prohibited for him to continue to live there.

And are you comparing traveling for livelihood with state sponsored terrorism and genocide that the USA, Europe, and Israel did and are doing, then hide behind the "human rights" facade?

Posting random wikipedia articles (non-primary sources) isn't really helping here. I fixed so many errors in Islam related wikipedia articles before, and the ones you posted have such errors.

I can also just as easily post random ones about secular and western terrorism.

What clueless/laughable/willful ignorance!

Accept that your Religion and its Practice are utterly impractical, useless and dangerous for the 21st century and there might yet be hope for you. The proof is in the fact that all the Islamic countries are backward in almost all measures of progress viz. economic, education, human rights, women's rights, institutional, scientific, technological etc.

The given Wikipedia links provide all relevant and curated data with further links to more resources. Go study them before spouting nonsense here.

To bring this thread to a close, here is an article from an educated professor; Muslim world lags behind in every sphere of life: Dr. Zubair Zafar Khan - https://muslimmirror.com/muslim-world-lags-behind-in-every-s...

Q.E.D.

Your Islamophobia is showing. Not to mention falling for the well known correlation is not causation fallacy, and that I actually explained one of the main causes (post WWI western colonialism that continues to this day). Not to mention even in such dire situations, many advancements have been made. Again, let's not parrot meaningless phrases like "human rights" and "women's rights" that are nothing but a facade.

As I pointed out, I corrected many mistakes in wikipedia. It is not a primary source.

Repeat after me: correlation is not causation. Islamophobes selectively ignore when the Islamic Caliphate was at the top of prosperity and advancements across all fields in the world.

Everybody who looks at this exchange of comments is laughing at you. It seems not only are you clueless but are not even willing to face up to your own ignorance and learn from others.

Your above comment is irrelevant and nonsensical; They are just standard tropes employed by Islamic apologists which have been refuted many times over and easily; some by enlightened Muslim Scholars themselves (with plenty of data as my last link showed).

As another example, here is Dr. Jamshed Uppal's presentation Are Muslim Attitudes Tuned For Economic Progress? The conclusion which he comes to after analyzing data "from 66 countries" (including all Muslim majority countries) is a resounding NO! Your comments here have only validated his points. You can search for the video yourself - https://site.theblackhole.pk/event/are-muslim-attitudes-tune...