I'm pleased to see DAT survived in some way the niche rivalry with IPFS, but let the people at Iroh their website LLM endpoint is down, https://www.iroh.computer/blog/what-is-derp

> "The DERP Protocol in Iroh"

> "Explain the original DERP protocol by Tailscale, focusing on its functionality and limitations. Discuss how Iroh has adapted and enhanced the DERP protocol, emphasizing the use of DERP URLs instead of regions."

and so on for the rest of their FAQ page

PS: Is keet.io a reincarnation of Cabal chat (https://cabal.chat/)?

There's no LLM endpoint :) These prompts were meant for humans to fill in :P (this post was from 2024)

That said, this was an old blog post that never actually got finished, so we've taken it offline and replaced it with a redirect to our relay docs page.

no. cabal chat is different.

...but you can also checkout quibble as an alternative to keet that is open source.

https://codeberg.org/LTC-GT/Quibble

i think the most awaited thing that has been in the making for hlf a decade now is "datweb" so all the dat ecoaystem projects might potentially work in browsers as well and not just as standalone apps

nat traversal decentralized/distributed holepunching is absolutely what dat has pioneered and is also industry leading and battle tested because it has plenty of apps with lots of users.

dat exists in rust and the more feature rich mature version is C & JS so you cqn build cross platform p2p apps using the web stack to make it as easy as possible for anyone to adopt

Falling back to DERP relays means trusting and funding centralized relay boxes. That solves connectivity by conceding peer-to-peer. You end up with client-server architecture plus extra cryptographic tax.

There's a distinction to be made between p2p as a network topology and p2p as a redistribution of power and agency. It's true that relays are an unsatisfying fallback to deal with the networks we have, but they still allow for meaningful p2p in sociopolitical terms. Relays that support the spirit of p2p need to be federated, stateless, and end-to-end encrypted.

you dont need relays if you use dat.

blind relays are optional and literally only relevant for specific really difficult carrier grade network conditions where direct connections might not always work.

...but even then, relay is really dynamic and any dat peer is automatically and dynamically participating im the process ..p2p, not federated

Are you saying that, aside from carrier grade NATs, dat otherwise achieves 100% direct connections?

i mean - network situations can be complicated and problematic but i would say pretty much yes in the sense of in prwctice it almost always works - 100% is too strongly framed, but it is really reliable, feel free to try.

if you dont want to use the stack and try programmatically, try keet messenger or holesail.io app to experience the reliability