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Re:Remove and Disable Apple Macos27 AI Models Tool by kqp on Monday October 05, 2026 @11:23AM (#49966075)
Requiring users to independently remember small decisions from months ago is bad UI. The error message should’ve been correct, and maybe the OS should be surfacing a log or something.
Re:Remove and Disable Apple Macos27 AI Models Tool by DaSHacka on Monday October 05, 2026 @11:37AM (#49966276)
This under the top-level comment stating they're switching to linux? Linux behaves the exact same. If you edit a config file, expect the configuration to be set accordingly.

Is this a mac user thing? "Apple should know better than to trust the configuration the users try to set" lol

Re:Remove and Disable Apple Macos27 AI Models Tool by kqp on Monday October 05, 2026 @12:05PM (#49966703)
I’m honestly having a hard time understanding you through all the tribalism.

Asking who to blame is simplistic and unproductive, the right question is what to do. As a user, obviously that involves things like updating your understanding of the network stack and the many different places config is stored. I was commenting from a UI designer’s perspective, because I am one and I find that more interesting.

I think Linux for consumers has been historically quite bad at this, and Apple has at least recently also been bad at it. “You’re holding it wrong” is the same mistake.

Re:Remove and Disable Apple Macos27 AI Models Tool by throw0101c on Monday October 05, 2026 @01:33PM (#49967853)
> Requiring users to independently remember small decisions from months ago is bad UI. The error message should’ve been correct, and maybe the OS should be surfacing a log or something.

What was Firefox's error message?

macOS does have local network access logging:

    log show --predicate 'subsystem == "com.apple.networkextension" 
        OR eventMessage CONTAINS[c] "local network"' --info --last 1h
Re:Remove and Disable Apple Macos27 AI Models Tool by thisislife2 on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @06:34PM (#49985110)
But isn't the whole argument for using macOS that you don't have to do "Linux like tinkering and tuning" to run it or softwares on it?
Re:Remove and Disable Apple Macos27 AI Models Tool by 1over137 on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @09:16PM (#49986677)
But what macOS doesn't have is an API for an application to query whether it has 'local network' access or not. If it did, Firefox could report a proper error message.

Safari of course get 'local network' access automatically, with no permission asked of the user. Special treatment for Apple's own apps of course.

Re:Remove and Disable Apple Macos27 AI Models Tool by LetMeLogin on Monday October 05, 2026 @01:52PM (#49968091)
This is pretty much "problem" with every OS.

Windows - you make one setting change somewhere, you forget about it. Half year later boom.

Linux - you make one setting change somewhere, you forget about it. Half year later boom.

Re:Remove and Disable Apple Macos27 AI Models Tool by ButlerianJihad on Tuesday October 06, 2026 @06:41PM (#49985178)
While I know this is a situation that may not last, I am grateful for ChromeOS in this regard.

My Chromebook has so few settings. Just the bare minimum of control panels and switches to get things running, and so few preferences to set and tweak and fiddle all day with. It was really the #1 reason I chose Chromebook over a Windows notebook at my last purchase.

I was just so relieved to be done with the endless riding-herd on my system like a Windows or Linux admin. I don't run Apple, no, but I can't imagine it is any less complex. My Android too suffers from so many bewildering settings, and most of those are the per-app tweaks that we simply can't keep up with.

On ChromeOS I can be certain that day by day, week by week, I won't need to drop to a shell, open up preferences, or tweak a bunch of settings just desperately trying to get something else working. And when I set up a new system, there won't be that daunting, arduous setup (albeit ChromeOS settings are not stashed in a Google account yet...)

It is much like my apartment. It pains me to read homeowners going over their endless woes of DIY and self-maintenance, and how much it costs to call in a guy to fix stuff; even my parents do this. A good landlord simply keeps everything working for me. Something breaks, I call it in, it gets fixed and we carry on. And no endless tweaking, installing, landscaping, gardening, fixing stuff around the house.

In my youth I tinkered endlessly with computers. I loved breaking them and repairing them. I learned all the internals and acted as professional sysadmin plenty of times. But in my old age and retirement, I just want a system that works, and that won't screw with me. The "Just Works" trophy has been passed from Apple to ChromeOS.