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Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by squirtle24 on Tuesday September 29, 2026 @05:28PM (#49900886)
It might have to do with the fact that the First Class stamps exploded in price recently. It was $0.55 right before covid, but now it's $0.82. It's like printing counterfeit money, except easier. A 4x5 sheet the size of a postcard becomes worth $16. The stamps themselves have relatively little in the way of counterfeiting measures, especially if you consider that "Forever" stamps exist. So even if they introduce anti-counterfeiting measures into new stamps, a pirate could print old-style Forever stamps, circumventing the new measures.

The USPS is also, ahem, rather incompetent, and their own report [1] shows that "mitigation efforts are limited, with no substantive approach to identify counterfeit stamps in the Postal Service network. While the Postal Service and the Postal Inspection Service have increased prevention-related efforts, the quantity of counterfeit stamps in the network remains unknown."

So the increased value of the stamps, the inability to change old Forever stamps, and the lack of enforcement have created a perfect storm for the counterfeiters.

[1] https://www.uspsoig.gov/reports/audit-reports/counterfeit-st...

Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by alexfoo on Tuesday September 29, 2026 @06:09PM (#49901430)
The UK moved to stamps with unique QR codes back in 2023 for the bulk of its stock.

https://www.royalmail.com/sending/barcoded-stamps

There are still some "Forever" stamps (those with pictures on or Christmas Stamps) but the old non-QR code non-forever stamps stopped being legal a while back (but you can always swap them for the new ones for free).

I've had people try and reuse a QR-coded stamp, you just get a postcard saying there's an item of mail with invalid postage for you to collect (and pay for). You get to look at it before you decide whether to pay the fine or not and then your argument is with the sender to reimburse you or not.

Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by sippingabonedry on Tuesday September 29, 2026 @06:58PM (#49901957)
I thought "forever" referenced the Royal Mail's typical transit time.
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by Angostura on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @02:15AM (#49905081)
Typical transit time seems pretty good for me
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by Barbing on Tuesday September 29, 2026 @10:44PM (#49903753)
> swap them for the new ones for free

This was almost my thought for mitigating USA stamp fraud. Exchange Forever stamps for $currentValue stamps, but show your ID so you’ll be subject to extra scrutiny if you try to trade in a million of them. (QR code’s better and more fair.)

Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by whatsdowndog on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @06:39AM (#49906975)
> show your ID.

What about the marginalized communities who don't have IDs, or are you saying USPS needs more security than federal elections?

Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by brookst on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @09:41AM (#49908836)
I think they’re saying there is more evidence of fraud in stamps because of the direct monetary value, where there is no evidence that our current registration-time voting controls need to be supplemented with additional friction at voting time, because what little evidence there is of voter fraud is mostly just lies: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/24/us/politics/nevada-voters...
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by AlotOfReading on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @09:42AM (#49908855)
Rhetorical question aside, federal elections use voter rolls that identify each potentially eligible voter and actively monitor for issues like double voting. There's no "forever stamp-holder" roll for the USPS to check.
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by whatsdowndog on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @02:20PM (#49912472)
How do you know it's actually John Smith who came to vote?
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by slopinthebag on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @03:09PM (#49913012)
maybe federal elections needs more security than usps?
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by fredoralive on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @02:03AM (#49904979)
“Forever” stamps in US terms are what 1st class / 2nd class stamps have always been in the UK since they appeared in the ‘80s, where they remain valid for a level of service forever. The US went through a weird phase where they had 1st class stamps, but they would only actually be for the monetary value of whatever the 1st class rate was when issued, so if the rate went up you’d have to add extra postage.

The basic split between what has barcodes and what doesn’t it that the everyday “definitive” stamps (both 1st/2nd etc. and those with a direct monetary value) were withdrawn and reissued with barcodes, but commemorative and special stamps weren’t. Basically, stuff sold to stamp collectors to be put in a box and never used on postage doesn’t have them.

Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by consp on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @03:09AM (#49905461)
> but they would only actually be for the monetary value of whatever the 1st class rate was when issued, so if the rate went up you’d have to add extra postage.

Reminds me of our monetary stamps. They were the old fashioned monetary value stamps which had a fixed value on it, so when the price hiked you could get 5ct/1ct stamps to add to get to the new rate, fixed value of the stamps stayed the same. People added real money to it since they were not going to buy a full sheet of 5ct stamps for one older one to compensate. And since the mail usually didn't care you sometimes got a free 5ct coin as recipient! (As a kid this was always fun to receive).

Fun thing is that those coins are way heavier than the paper so adding them might get you onto the next cost bracket making the whole excersize pointless.

Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @03:17AM (#49905520)
Stamp value still matters in the US for normal letters because of the janky way extra weight is priced. In particular, the current price of a max-weight letter is two stamps plus 5 cents.
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by royskee on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @09:36AM (#49908758)
But one can get non-denominated extra-ounce stamps (for two ounce, three ounce, or "extra ounce" to use with another stamp) for letters over an ounce https://store.usps.com/store/stamps/additional-ounces/_/N-d7...
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by saghm on Tuesday September 29, 2026 @05:38PM (#49901024)
I thought that for a while now all stamps are "forever" rather than it being s separate type.
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by jffry on Tuesday September 29, 2026 @05:46PM (#49901118)
USPS still sells denominated stamps from $0.01 to $10.00, in addition to "First Class Forever" stamps - see near the bottom of the filters sidebar on https://store.usps.com/store/stamps
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by ZeWaka on Tuesday September 29, 2026 @08:09PM (#49902620)
There's also other types of forever stamps, such as the domestic Postcard and Global Forever stamp!
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by Spooky23 on Tuesday September 29, 2026 @11:27PM (#49904039)
These are problematic as well - they don’t have a way to tally the stamps, they just look for the marker and process it. A postal employee at the delivery point may flag it.

Also if you mail stuff this way you’ll have mail inspected for bombs or anthrax.

Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by celticninja on Tuesday September 29, 2026 @06:13PM (#49901478)
It's common in the UK to sell them both with a £ denominated value on them or the class of service. My brother bought loads of the latter a few years ago, which was a great idea, because as mentioned postal rates have increased significantly. The UK post office will also exchange your old unused stamps for new versions (now with QR codes or with sticky backs) for free. So even if they go out of date they alcan be upgraded at no cost.
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by scun on Tuesday September 29, 2026 @09:14PM (#49903156)
I miss the taste of the glue.
Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by Ferret7446 on Tuesday September 29, 2026 @10:22PM (#49903626)
Forever stamps guarantee delivery forever (subject to terms and conditions on weight/size). Regular stamps denote value, e.g. 50 cents. They will always be usable but you will need to match the inflation of prices (e.g., mailing a letter might be 50 cents in the past but 100 cents in the future)

Numbers for demonstration only

Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by hvb2 on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @05:49AM (#49906607)
> The USPS is also, ahem, rather incompetent, and their own report [1] shows that "mitigation efforts are limited, with no substantive approach to identify counterfeit stamps in the Postal Service network.

They've been underfunded for a long time. Meanwhile they still have the legal requirement to deliver everywhere in the US. So the big guys like Amazon will happily deliver their own packages in densely populated areas where it's easily profitable. The areas where it's not can be done by USPS...

So basically the taxpayer is paying for Amazon to not have to deliver where it would be costly for them.

Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by thomasjudge on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @06:44AM (#49907018)
>The USPS is also, ahem, rather incompetent,...

Just as a datapoint, the USPIS has a >= 98% conviction rate for cases that go to trial

Re:USPS shuts down site that sold 5M counterfeit postage lab... by ceejayoz on Wednesday September 30, 2026 @08:20AM (#49907835)
Incompetence can result in cases that don't go to trial, though.