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Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by zeroonetwothree on Monday September 21, 2026 @02:07PM (#49790985)
Last time I estimated it was like 30 years to pay back. I doubt the hardware will even last that long.
Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by mike_d on Monday September 21, 2026 @03:14PM (#49791938)
I have 2 x ChatGPT Pro 20x, Claude Max 20x, and Kimi Vivace. It's about ~12 months payback for two units and the cable.

The problem is they can't fit any frontier level open models.

Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by sandblast on Monday September 21, 2026 @04:43PM (#49793116)
Is Kimi really competitive enough to have it in your mix?
Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by knollimar on Monday September 21, 2026 @05:58PM (#49793998)
I like its image understanding without having to reach for astra
Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by dotancohen on Monday September 21, 2026 @07:47PM (#49794974)
But you're reaching for Kimi, no? A model from an entirely otherwise-redundant company. You're already using Open AI models, so Kimi seems even more of a reach.

I'm asking, not arguing, because I'd like to understand. Is Astra so much more expensive for those tasks, and are they frequent?

Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by edg5000 on Monday September 21, 2026 @10:28PM (#49796135)
If he has 2x 20x OpenAI, that means he's running heavy jobs that burn through usage. So Kimi must be there to reduce OpenAI usage. With Astra + Fable, I burn through my 5x OpenAI and 20x Claude real fast. I do have a backup GLM sub but I've never had to use it. So the prediction that AI would become more expensive seems to be panning out. Partly outweighed by better models of course.
Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by jwpapi on Monday September 21, 2026 @05:16PM (#49793560)
how do you get 2 cgpt pro?
Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by brandall10 on Monday September 21, 2026 @07:17PM (#49794745)
You can have multiple accounts w/ OpenAI, attached to different emails - just log out of one and log into the other.
Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by jwpapi on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @01:50AM (#49797233)
And fine to do it in same folder same local laptop?
Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by brandall10 on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @10:37AM (#49802055)
Yep, no problem at all. The only drawback is sessions cannot be shared directly between accounts, so if you're in the middle of something you'll have to do some extra work. To that end I have a handoff skill to persist state to a local markdown and a resume skill to load that state into a new session.

Say I'm down to about 5% of my 5 hour limit, I'll stop what I'm doing to call the handoff. Then I logout and login to the other account and call the resume skill. It adds about 5 minutes of friction to do all this and resume work.

Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by tiagod on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @04:33AM (#49798164)
I rent two cars, a bus, a small aeroplane and an excavator. At that rate, if I buy this bicycle it will be paid back in an hour!
Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by fragmede on Monday September 21, 2026 @02:46PM (#49791564)
Last time I estimated, it would only take 3 months to pay back because the 1TB Mac Mini running Qwen RSIingly developed ASI and made infinity dollars off of crypto and I got put in jail by the SEC.

Where'd you get 30 years from? Show your work.

Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by wilj on Monday September 21, 2026 @02:57PM (#49791705)
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Re:Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August by AmazingTurtle on Tuesday September 22, 2026 @10:36AM (#49802051)
My calculation (that is 3x 20x subscriptions) it will pay off after ~18.5 months, if I were to stop my subscriptions today. I will likely keep at least one though, so it's more like 27.5 months for a payoff. I am not doing it to save money though. I am doing it for security of supply. Constant quality - I know my model isn't getting lobotomized etc. - and open weight models mostly just lack very little behind. I'm sure I will have affordable, fast and efficient sol 5.6 capabilities with open weight models on my sparks within 12-18 months easily.