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Re:Weeping whales: Stillborn humpback whale grieving documented by sssilver on Sunday September 20, 2026 @02:48AM (#49773130)
Insofar as grieving is an inherently, fundamentally a very particular chemical process, the answer is a resounding “no”.
Re:Weeping whales: Stillborn humpback whale grieving documented by Ma8ee on Sunday September 20, 2026 @03:04AM (#49773231)
If you simulate that chemical process in a computer, if necessary a quantum computer?
Re:Weeping whales: Stillborn humpback whale grieving documented by fennecbutt on Sunday September 20, 2026 @04:27AM (#49773730)
You don't even need quantum imo.

On a personal meatbag level emotions are magical and something ineffable.

From a scientific stance, chemical make brain go happy or sad and there's nothing special or magical about that. Every emotion we feel is because it was evolutionarily valuable for us to do so.

Re:Weeping whales: Stillborn humpback whale grieving documented by throwaway173738 on Sunday September 20, 2026 @10:39AM (#49776343)
This is too mechanistic. You also choose which emotions to pay attention to.
Re:Weeping whales: Stillborn humpback whale grieving documented by pixl97 on Sunday September 20, 2026 @06:28PM (#49780774)
This is too simple in itself.

When your afraid you can choose to ignore the fear, but you are still afraid and it has physical effects that can be measured. There is at least a trinary state of possible outcomes and as the situation space becomes more complex and solutions drift apart on all 3.

Re:Weeping whales: Stillborn humpback whale grieving documented by sssilver on Sunday September 20, 2026 @11:23AM (#49776779)
Then, logically speaking, you get a simulation of griefing.
Re:Weeping whales: Stillborn humpback whale grieving documented by Ma8ee on Monday September 21, 2026 @01:02AM (#49783241)
And in what lies the difference?
Re:Weeping whales: Stillborn humpback whale grieving documented by fennecbutt on Sunday September 20, 2026 @04:28AM (#49773738)
That's a very closed definition of grieving. So by your definition a future perfectly simulated human brain cannot grieve because no chemicals are involved?

Lmao.

Re:Weeping whales: Stillborn humpback whale grieving documented by icantevenhold on Sunday September 20, 2026 @05:06AM (#49773984)
Whether anything a perfectly simulated human brain (or other organism see the fruit fly simulated brain) does is actually real - in the same sense it’s real for you and me - is still up for debate i think.

Assuming it’s possible to perfectly simulate a human brain

Re:Weeping whales: Stillborn humpback whale grieving documented by sssilver on Sunday September 20, 2026 @12:15PM (#49777249)
A “perfect simulation” is no longer a simulation.

The definition of the word “simulation” is:

> A simulation is the artificial imitation of a real-world process, system, or event using a model

As we know, “all models are wrong; some models are useful”.

A “perfect simulation” is, then, an oxymoron.

Re:Weeping whales: Stillborn humpback whale grieving documented by icantevenhold on Wednesday September 23, 2026 @02:11PM (#49820194)
Thanks for the semantics, a perfect imitation would be a better description