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Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by gruez on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @12:40PM (#49612777)
Youtube page, which has auto-generated transcripts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLEkUGuw374

tl;dw:

1. it's expensive

2. requires online connection and account to unlock bootloader

3. lenovo (the parent company) had shady behavior in the past

Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by summm on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @04:05PM (#49616218)
Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by subscribed on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:53PM (#49618284)
This reads shockingly bad, but most of that won't apply to the new devices.

Like, it will be Qualcomm, it will support unlockng, relocking, custom keys and will not have a secret debug key - otherwise there simply would be absolutely no deal with GoS.

IMO these new flagships will not be fully impacted by these issues (if at all), considering how much of the partnership initiative started* at Motorola.

It was likely them providing the GOS team with source code of some of the most critical patches, when Google withheld it for months waiting for Samsung to release patches.

Why? I guess to get the bragging rights to have the most secure android handsets in the world, to improve their own codebase (GOS pushed a lot of patches upstream and perhaps the hardware).

I'm cautiously optimistic - given how allergic the team are to the notion of the enforced compliance imposed by Google, I think it's likely these new flagships will be automatically unlocked in the same way pixels are.

Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by microtonal on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @02:05AM (#49621784)
It was likely them providing the GOS team with source code of some of the most critical patches, when Google withheld it for months waiting for Samsung to release patches.

I'm pretty sure reading on Mastodon that it was another OEM that provided them with embargoed patches, but I can't find the Toot now.

Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by subscribed on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @06:11AM (#49624037)
That'd be even better TBF, thanks for the update
Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by dmm on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @01:54PM (#49613991)
Unlocking the pixels also requires an internet connection, to determine whether the device has any restrictions on it.

From the grapheneos installation instructions: """ On device model variants (SKUs) which support being sold as locked devices by carriers, enabling OEM unlocking requires internet access so that the stock OS can check if the device was sold as locked by a carrier. """

https://grapheneos.org/install/web#enabling-oem-unlocking

Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by subscribed on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:42PM (#49618173)
connection != account

You can do the Pixel unlocking whilst driving by the random McD.

I'm quite surprised it flies with the team.

Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by gruez on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:51PM (#49618258)
>connection != account

That's not much of a distinction considering that it's trivial to create an email/account (without a phone number, even!) with fake information.

Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by subscribed on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @07:03PM (#49618386)
That's a massive difference to me (you rightly called me out on that one).

One is 5 seconds on wifi, second is grumbly attempts to create throwaway email to create the throwaway account.

I agree in principle but disagree because I hate unnecessary friction.

Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by seanw444 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @01:18PM (#49613336)
> 2. requires online connection and account to unlock bootloader

That's horrible. I'm surprised the GOS team is okay with this.

Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by 627467 on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @09:16PM (#49619478)
Is it a fact that when these devices come the process to unlock will remain the same?
Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by microtonal on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @02:01AM (#49621740)
There is little information available about the future devices. I think they are just extrapolating from prior unlockable Motorola devices. IMO it's not worth speculating until there is some official information or someone has actually tested on one of the devices.
Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by seanw444 on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @03:26PM (#49632721)
At least there's still hope. It would be weird that this would be allowed to stand, with first-class GOS in the picture now.
Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by bushwart on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @12:50PM (#49612916)
Needing an account to unlock the bootloader is a real bummer. I can live with issues 1 and 3. Thanks for the notes.
Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by aftbit on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @04:02PM (#49616184)
1. So what?

2. This sucks but is basically required to protect against phone theft (though phones could be shipped in an unlock-once state, until you set them up)

3. So what? What company has never been shady?

Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by LikelySupernova on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @12:50PM (#49612912)
Then buy Pixel A series, it has none of those cons. And I'd say at that price point, Tensor isn't even a bad processor.
Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by gfrecvh on Tuesday September 08, 2026 @06:24PM (#49618025)
Alright number 2 just convinced me I'll never use grapheneos.
Re:Why I'm Not Excited About the Graphene OS and Motorola Pa... by microtonal on Wednesday September 09, 2026 @02:07AM (#49621817)
There is no proof that that an account will actually be required. The fact that some existing Motorola phone require this does not say much.