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Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by drnick1 on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @03:05PM (#49540868)
There shouldn't be any telemetry in free software, end of. There are other ways to estimate the number of active users, e.g. through downloads and browser fingerprints.

Mozilla does not need more money than it already has. Ladybird has shown that you don't need a huge team to build a browser from scratch, so clearly Mozilla isn't spending all the money it gets from Google for development.

Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by demibabs on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @03:14PM (#49541009)
I don’t get this take. There’s good reasons to have telemetry in any software. Doesn’t really have to do with whether it’s free or not.

Of course, it’s also good to have the option to disable it.

Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by ginko on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @03:16PM (#49541031)
Telemetry should be opt-in.
Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by nickthegreek on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @03:53PM (#49541535)
> There shouldn't be any telemetry in free software, end of.

Don't install it if you dont want it, that is where you choice lies. Telemetry inclusion is up to the author. Good ones will make it opt-in if it is truly necessary to include.

> Ladybird has shown that you don't need a huge team to build a browser from scratch

Ladybird has done no such thing.

Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by sourthyme on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @03:10PM (#49540950)
Does Firefox sell this data? That would be bad and should be able to turn off. But there's other uses for telemetry that can help free software.
Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by throwa356262 on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @04:02PM (#49541665)
Why gather this much data if you are not monetizeing it?

It has a cost and can also become a liability. You don't do it just for fun.

Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by coldfloor on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @07:38PM (#49544089)
Because it's useful in aiding in development. "Telemetry" is not "spying" or "collecting personal information" or whatever else uninformed people like this blog author try to dramatize it as. Telemetry is anonymous crash reports, how many users are using vertical vs horizontal tabs, how many people engaged the AI killswitch, etc. If it's NOT anonymized/bucketized usage date, then it's NOT telemetry. People need to stop conflating the two.

Ironically, it's the people who disable all telemetry out of ignorance and paranoia that end up crying every time a developer deprecates their favorite feature or they have an issue with a new release. If you don't vote you don't get to complain. Mozilla's PM's in particular have repeatedly published and cited telemetry data in their decision making, and have referenced crash reports in proactively filed bugs.

Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by JohnFen on Thursday September 03, 2026 @07:54AM (#49548820)
> "Telemetry" is not "spying" or "collecting personal information" or whatever else uninformed people like this blog author try to dramatize it as.

Whether or not telemetry counts as spying depends on whether or not informed consent was obtained before data is sent. If any data is collected about me, my machines, or my use of my machines, and I have not explicitly been told about and agreed to it first, then I'm being spied on.

Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by JohnFen on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @03:42PM (#49541358)
Like with any software, you can't ever really be sure if they share this data with other entities. That's part of why I don't let software phone home, FOSS or not.
Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by jeltz on Thursday September 03, 2026 @02:59AM (#49546755)
Historically thet have done so but I have no idea if thet currently do.
Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by kibwen on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @03:13PM (#49540995)
> There are other ways to estimate the number of active users

The point of telemetry is not to estimate the number of active users, and focusing on "telemetry" is the wrong bogeyman. Things like crash reports are telemetry, and are perfectly acceptable as long as the user remains in control over whether or not to send them. Software should respect user privacy and user control.

Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by wtallis on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @05:30PM (#49542849)
At some point, the pervasive unethical behavior of having telemetry on by default instead of opt-in, not just in proprietary software but also in open-source software and even from Mozilla itself becomes overwhelming enough that "telemetry=bad" becomes a reasonable summary of the situation. We need a new word specifically for ethical opt-in data collection.
Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by zamadatix on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @04:38PM (#49542181)
This is like saying you shouldn't have a computer because you can do addition yourself. Okay, what about all of the other use cases? Besides, collecting stats based on downloads/updates/etc is still telemetry.

I'm perfectly fine with telemetry in any software, free or paid. Just make it opt-in and don't turn into cookie notice style malicious compliance about that.

Re:Firefox's AI Switch Is Off. Telemetry Isn't by userbinator on Wednesday September 02, 2026 @08:34PM (#49544508)
This, absolutely. I used to publish free software for download, and I had absolutely zero idea how it was used, nor did I care.

The problem is that the surveillance mindset has infected developers these days so now you have a bunch of telemetry apologists and advocates influencing the narrative. Unfortunately they are themselves fine with being spied on... although the inevitable leak happens and hopefully some of them start to worry.