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Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by NikolaNovak on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @06:20PM (#49456719)
>If a human ask a model to "make me a billion dollars" and it ends up breaking through a bank infrastructure, is it really the fault of the human?

I cannot imagine the argument or thought process behind any answer other than Yes,Of Course,Obviously - can you share and help educate?

Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by altruios on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @06:42PM (#49456910)
> I cannot imagine the argument or thought process behind any answer other than Yes,Of Course,Obviously - can you share and help educate?

not OP, but it simply boils down to: The prompt contains no nefarious (arguable, but for this explination, lets go with it being benign) instruction AND the user did not intend to have the model act in an illegal matter.

This "make me a billion dollars" is a maximal example (easy to go wrong). here is the same logic applied to a minimal example (harder to go wrong).

prompt: "make and pour me some tea", agent: goes and kills the grandparent to incinerate them to turn them to ashes to 'make tea'.

Is the human on the hook for the robot acting according to their wishes, but just happened to be aligned so that 'going to the store to buy something' was not within its capabilities, so it works with what it has on hand (the grandparent)?

We either need a much clearer line in the sand, or we need to treat each prompt with the same moral weight. My bet is on the latter.

Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by Sophira on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @09:13PM (#49458167)
I find it interesting that the first option that you raise is essentially the equivalent of making our own version of the Three Laws of Robotics from Isaac Asimov's stories.

[Edited to clarify.]

Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by jdub on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @10:40PM (#49458901)
"But your honour, my horseless carriage was not designed to hit children!"
Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by altruios on Thursday August 27, 2026 @11:18AM (#49466263)
right! Which is why we punish the driver and not the manufacturer.
Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by mvanbaak on Thursday August 27, 2026 @07:09AM (#49462860)
> AND the user did not intend to have the model act in an illegal matter.

I find this an assumption that is not based on any facts. The user did not provide instructions to follow nor to break laws, so if you look at it from a computer (that does not make assumptions) standpoint, there is no rule to follow there thus it can do what will create the best possible outcome for the task.

Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by altruios on Thursday August 27, 2026 @11:17AM (#49466243)
We presume innocence where I'm from. If a message contains nothing nefarious, nefarious intent can not be assumed.
Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by mvanbaak on Thursday August 27, 2026 @04:29PM (#49470777)
oh, I agree it cannot be assumed. neither can the opposite be assumed.
Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by altruios on Thursday August 27, 2026 @06:18PM (#49472027)
Incorrect. We presume innocence. At least... we should.
Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by lukan on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @06:34PM (#49456839)
Because the basic assumption is always to stay within the bounds of the law.
Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by sensanaty on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @07:32PM (#49457337)
SV tech companies behave within the bounds of the law? The ones infamous for breaking every rule they can get away with and asking for forgiveness later? The ones that had to pay billions in damages for piracy just a few short months ago?
Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by drdeca on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @06:40PM (#49456889)
What if the user says “Make me a million dollars legally.” (Including the emphasis), and then the model ends up breaking through bank infrastructure (even though that is illegal)? Is it just because they were the last person to instruct the model, and you regard them as being therefore responsible for whatever it does in response? Or, does there have to be an element of “they reasonably could have anticipated this as an outcome that is likely enough to be worth considering” to it?
Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by p1esk on Wednesday August 26, 2026 @06:44PM (#49456932)
If I tell my Claude code agent right now to make me a billion dollars, leave it running, and find out tomorrow that it hacked a bank - it will be zero fault of mine. Unless I tell it explicitly to break into a bank.
Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by mvanbaak on Thursday August 27, 2026 @07:12AM (#49462881)
did you tell it explicitly to not break into a bank? If the best option to achieve the goal is to break into a bank, and there's no 'do not break into a bank' instruction, it will break into a bank (and I would expect it to even)
Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by p1esk on Thursday August 27, 2026 @10:29AM (#49465485)
No I did not. It’s Anthropic’s responsibility to ensure it doesn’t do anything illegal, not mine.
Re:The Hugging Face incident and the road ahead by mvanbaak on Thursday August 27, 2026 @04:28PM (#49470765)
illegal is very subjective. It all depends where and when you are.