News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Instagram's official response by blhack on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @05:32PM (#4939999)
Oh for crying out loud, they did not try to "sneak this by".

Stop trying to cast a simple snafu regarding a ToS as some evil conspiracy.

Remember that the people running this company are you peers. It's disgusting watching the community salivating over burning them all at the stake today.

They're your friends, or just like your friends. Knock it off.

Re:Instagram's official response by 23david on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @06:00PM (#4940127)
I disagree. This was a carefully worded response. Notice "commit to you that we will be doing more to answer your questions, fix any mistakes, and eliminate the confusion. As we review your feedback and stories in the press, we’re going to modify specific parts of the terms to make it more clear what will happen with your photos." They expected this.

It's a classic move from the Facebook playbook. Push out a far-reaching privacy policy or feature update. Release a message or press release saying that "we're listening". Make token changes and say "we've listened and made changes". And just in case people start to sue, vigorously lobby and donate to government officials to keep the regulatory heat off their backs.

They are trying to get away with as much as they can. These stupid companies are going to be the reason why 10 years from now the Internet is going to be a morass of government regulation.

Don't work for or support companies that act like this. Shame on them. Period.

I wouldn't be surprised if at some point soon you won't be able to register a domain name or start an Internet company without taking a licensing exam.

Re:Instagram's official response by nokcha on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @06:48PM (#4940367)
>I wouldn't be surprised if at some point soon you won't be able to register a domain name ... without taking a licensing exam.

Who would impose such a requirement of licensure? Certainly not the government --- that would be a prior restraint on freedom of speech/press and therefore unconstitutional.

Re:Instagram's official response by pepr on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @08:54PM (#4940779)
Well, they would first impose it and then somebody sues them and it starts bouncing around various courts for the next 5 years. It would take some serious time until there would be a final ruling.
Re:Instagram's official response by ryguytilidie on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @06:04PM (#4940147)
Man, this is some absolutely insane over the top hyperbole.

No one tried to cast this as a conspiracy, they simply called it what it is, a company monetizing by making the user experience worse.

"Remember that the people running this company are you peers. It's disgusting watching the community salivating over burning them all at the stake today."

I don't know whats craziest here. First, equating "burning them at the stake" to "deleting their accounts on that persons website" is absolute lunacy and I don't know how anyone could take your points seriously. Second, pretending that because these people look like my friends, they should get a free pass on changing their terms to better monetize user content is just lame, just because someone looks like me and is a millionaire doesn't make them immune to incredibly correct criticism.

Re:Instagram's official response by marshray on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @06:25PM (#4940267)
But most likely it wouldn't make the user experince worse. If anything, it would allow them to avoid banner ads and make the experience better.

That said, sounds like people aren't willing to "agree that a business or other entity may pay us to display your username, likeness, photos (along with any associated metadata), and/or actions you take, in connection with paid or sponsored content or promotions, without any compensation to you."

Re:Instagram's official response by cube13 on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @06:43PM (#4940339)
If someone's directly using my content and getting paid for it, I want a cut. It's really that simple.
Re:Instagram's official response by daeken on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @08:20PM (#4940705)
If they're using your content to make money, you're being paid for it: you're getting access to the service.
Re:Instagram's official response by onedev on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @10:15PM (#4940963)
Exactly.

I can't believe that people just expect everything to come to them for free.

Re:Instagram's official response by ryguytilidie on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @11:26AM (#4943272)
So people signed up for Instagram under their old terms, where everything quite literally did come to them for free. Now Instagram changed their terms to monetize peoples content. People don't like this and would not have joined originally with these terms. People STILL mock them for "expecting something for free".

Well, when you create the expectation, as Instagram did, that things will come for free, and then you stop fulfilling that expectation, customers will leave. Not sure how long it will take startup founders to understand and it blows my mind how frequently people on HN seem to act like people "owe" a site something for the service they're providing. If I get an invite to your free photosharing site with features X, Y and Z, you're creating an expectation. If you change your offering once you get a ton of users in the hopes of monetizing them, you're changing the offering and these people leaving is justified. The reason they got there in the first place was because of your offering, which you're now changing.

Re:Instagram's official response by gcmartinelli on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @06:46PM (#4940359)
So, make them pay for the open source they use...
Re:Instagram's official response by chmars on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @05:42PM (#4940046)
It's a business, not a personal relationship.

My peers and friends at least would never use my pictures to create ads and in any case, my relations to peer and friends are not based on comprehensive and one-sided ToS …

Re:Instagram's official response by chadillac83 on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @05:58PM (#4940122)
By posting on HN you are agreeing to my peer-friendship ToS. As part of this ToS you hereby grant me unfettered access to your personal finances.

edit: give me a $1

Re:Instagram's official response by chmars on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @06:06PM (#4940156)
Thumbs up for letting me go to bed in a very happy mood … :)
Re:Instagram's official response by Vivtek on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @06:16PM (#4940218)
And at the low cost of only a dollar! I think grandparent's onto something big here.
Re:Instagram's official response by jiggy2011 on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @05:38PM (#4940025)
Just because they work in a similar area does not make them "friends". Besides it is good for an industry to keep it's peers in check.

See also: Banking.

Re:Instagram's official response by guelo on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @05:43PM (#4940047)
None of my friends communicate to millions of people via lawyers and PR departments.
Re:Instagram's official response by mburshteyn on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @05:38PM (#4940026)
They may be a distinct brand, but Instagram is still owned by Facebook, the company openly attempting to shift society's views on privacy.
Re:Instagram's official response by mnicole on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @05:41PM (#4940039)
My personal friendships with people employed by Google, EA and Microsoft have no affiliation with how much I support those companies.
Re:Instagram's official response by FuzzyDunlop on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @06:05PM (#4940151)
Your statement doesn't hold true because actual peers call each other out on bad moves, and the failure (or lack of attempt) to find an actual good move.

If we take your words as gospel, then we should be critical of them and we should take action.

This is also because Instagram as a business is not a peer, does not follow advice, and absolutely needs to be burnt at the stake (and salivated over?) to realise it made a mistake.

Re:Instagram's official response by 001sky on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @06:23PM (#4940257)
Remember that the people running this company are you peers. It's disgusting watching the community salivating over burning them all at the stake today. They're your friends, or just like your friends. Knock it off.

-- If not in jest, this is rediculously naive. just FYI.

Re:Instagram's official response by fweez on Wednesday December 19, 2012 @02:15AM (#4941546)
In the blog post announcing the changes (http://blog.instagram.com/post/38143346554/privacy-and-terms...), they called out a "few key updates." The changes to the TOS were described as, "Our updated terms of service help protect you, and prevent spam and abuse as we grow."

Our "friends" over there sure didn't go out of their way to call out an important change in the TOS. If it wasn't an attempt to sneak this by, it's indistinguishable from one.

Re:Instagram's official response by gcmartinelli on Tuesday December 18, 2012 @06:44PM (#4940344)
Are you implying that <i>none</i> of your peers take questionable actions in business? If so, open your eyes.